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Post by Deleted on Jan 23, 2009 17:22:05 GMT
I don't think it's only Gorzow.
As I said before Polish clubs pay up front therefore the pressure for riders to ride is greater.
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Post by admin on Jan 23, 2009 17:24:16 GMT
I don't think it's only Gorzow. As I said before Polish clubs pay up front therefore the pressure for riders to ride is greater. And they don't tend to accept any of the nonsense that is taken over here. If henryw is right and Jonasson paid a hefty price for his little lie in (although I think it was a later meeting than the one Wacks refers to in Leszno), it shows the Poles mean business and aren't willing to be pushed and shoved around.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 23, 2009 17:29:17 GMT
Being pushed and shoved around has nothing to do with that scenario. Nobody was doing that to Gorzow. The trouble with Poland is that they believe they are the one and only and everyone has to jump to their demands and fuck everyone else. There is no give and take with them.
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Post by admin on Jan 23, 2009 17:34:26 GMT
Being pushed and shoved around has nothing to do with that scenario. Nobody was doing that to Gorzow. The trouble with Poland is that they believe they are the one and only and everyone has to jump to their demands and fuck everyone else. There is no give and take with them. I disagree. They run a tight ship. The Polish authorities don't really care what the foreign riders get up to. If a rider rides, he rides, if he doesn't, well tough luck for his club. But over here in Britain, we bend over backwards to accommodate every little whim of the riders. Your rider can't make that meeting? Ah nevermind, have a facility. It doesn't work that way in Poland - your rider is missing, tough luck, you should've signed a Pole.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 23, 2009 17:46:38 GMT
Its just a shame there aint enough good riders and money so that like football rugby etc the club owns the team and can pay enough money to make it worth while to a rider. because this jumping about the continent doesnt do anyone any good especially the enviroment
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Post by Deleted on Jan 23, 2009 17:49:39 GMT
Being pushed and shoved around has nothing to do with that scenario. Nobody was doing that to Gorzow. The trouble with Poland is that they believe they are the one and only and everyone has to jump to their demands and fuck everyone else. There is no give and take with them. I disagree. They run a tight ship. The Polish authorities don't really care what the foreign riders get up to. If a rider rides, he rides, if he doesn't, well tough luck for his club. But over here in Britain, we bend over backwards to accommodate every little whim of the riders. Your rider can't make that meeting? Ah nevermind, have a facility. It doesn't work that way in Poland - your rider is missing, tough luck, you should've signed a Pole. I have to say i agree with Subedei over this, and its exactly why the BSPA should have reduced averages for all British riders to ensure the top flight is full of as many of them as possible and the need for overseas talent is lessened.
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Post by admin on Jan 23, 2009 17:53:43 GMT
I have to say i agree with Subedei over this, and its exactly why the BSPA should have reduced averages for all British riders to ensure the top flight is full of as many of them as possible and the need for overseas talent is lessened. But, at the end of the day, the BSPA allowed the global superstar to miss an Eastbourne fixture to ride for his Polish club when the fixtures clashed (naturally, the BSPA's response was a facility for the Eagles). That's lunacy. The Poles simply wouldn't tolerate it. The GKSZ and PZM don't care what foreign riders get up to, but Polish riders must put Polish commitments ahead of everything else, or face the consequences.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 23, 2009 18:00:14 GMT
I have to say i agree with Subedei over this, and its exactly why the BSPA should have reduced averages for all British riders to ensure the top flight is full of as many of them as possible and the need for overseas talent is lessened. But, at the end of the day, the BSPA allowed the global superstar to miss an Eastbourne fixture to ride for his Polish club when the fixtures clashed (naturally, the BSPA's response was a facility for the Eagles). That's lunacy. The Poles simply wouldn't tolerate it. The GKSZ and PZM don't care what foreign riders get up to, but Polish riders must put Polish commitments ahead of everything else, or face the consequences. I dont keep up to date with all the politics and rules Sub, but as i have said so many times before, the biggest stumbling block in British speedway is the points limit, clubs should be allowed to sign whomever they want and track a team from their own squad.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 23, 2009 18:11:24 GMT
I disagree. They run a tight ship. The Polish authorities don't really care what the foreign riders get up to. If a rider rides, he rides, if he doesn't, well tough luck for his club. But over here in Britain, we bend over backwards to accommodate every little whim of the riders. Your rider can't make that meeting? Ah nevermind, have a facility. It doesn't work that way in Poland - your rider is missing, tough luck, you should've signed a Pole. But this hasn't anything to do with this particular scenario that we were talking about Do you suggest hat all federations do their own thing and bugger everyone else? Isn't that the attitude that lends itself to the mess speedway is already in?
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Post by admin on Jan 23, 2009 18:21:37 GMT
Speedway doesn't appear to be in that much of a mess in Poland. To be sure, they're concerned about the financial climate, but compared to Britain and Sweden they seem about the best set. And why is that? Probably because they have a critical mass of "home grown" riders. There are very nearly as many Poles in the top tier of Swedish speedway as there are Swedes, while most clubs in Britain are wholly dependent on foreign imports, whether from Australia, Denmark, Sweden, Poland or the Czech Republic. This allows the Poles to call the shots. It allows the Polish authorities to be indifferent to the whims of foreign riders.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 23, 2009 18:38:39 GMT
This allows the Poles to call the shots. Money allows that.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 23, 2009 20:40:08 GMT
Surely 4 clubs between them could afford a training track. By that im referring to an idea i expressed a while back where i said 3-4 clubs could all pitch in to set up a training track which could be used by there riders and on set days double up as a training school. I just found it utterly appauling tht riders have to turn up with there gear and race. I mean these guys get no where to practice with new engines or settings. Could you imagine Celtic, Man U, Arsenal etc etc etc etc etc just turning up on a Saturday and playing with no training. Hope this makes sense.
Just went over my ad. it doesnt read well i didnt just mean 3-4 clubs and thats it i meant up and down the UK. example Edinburgh, Glasgow and berwick maybe even Newcastle could set one up for there riders and as a training school
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Post by Deleted on Jan 23, 2009 21:48:50 GMT
while most clubs in Britain are wholly dependent on foreign imports, whether from Australia, Denmark, Sweden, Poland or the Czech Republic. I'll have you know there are a couple of very classy imports from Finland too.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 24, 2009 2:25:17 GMT
Despite what you say Sub, there are still times where the British authorities stamp their feet and make a point...look at Jarek in the play-offs last year.
They made a point of kicking him out when he chose Poland over the UK, because the PZM will not play ball with the other federations....If he had been from pretty much any other Nation he wouldn't have had a problem.
However, the simple fact is that the UK doesn't offer the cash per match that the other nations can offer, so they are never going to have the upper hand. The UK leagues need to stop kidding themselves that they can make any demands on riders time and make it possible for teams to have riders who miss some matches without punishment to either fans or riders....and by that, I mean adopt a squad system!
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Post by admin on Jan 24, 2009 14:16:02 GMT
Despite what you say Sub, there are still times where the British authorities stamp their feet and make a point...look at Jarek in the play-offs last year. Ipswich got a facility, didn't they? Would a Polish club have been given anything from the GKSZ and PZM if the roles had been reversed? The British authorities made no point at all. Hampel will do the exact same thing this year, if the situation arises.
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