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Post by Genghis on Aug 4, 2007 23:28:11 GMT
Vacancy: Driving Job Salary: Around a million dollars per weekend Starting from March 2008 Must be prepared to work on Sundays Please apply to: Ron Dennis No Spaniards need apply
All the best Rob
P.S. Donsking, it's FIA mate not the FIM (realise it's probably a typo).
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Post by donsking on Aug 4, 2007 23:33:20 GMT
Yep, I was having a separate convo that involved bikes, I was just as likely to say FISA or FOCA!
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Post by Deleted on Aug 4, 2007 23:50:26 GMT
I don't agree with the FIM getting involved in this, if it was one team against another, then fine, but coming between a team and it's internal rivalries isn't really on. I can't see why McLaren as a team have been penalised, they were the class of the field anyway, Alonso and Hamilton were always going to be the front row, whatever happened in the pits hasn't predjudiced any other team. I'm glad to hear that I amn't the only one who thought this was nothing but an internal matter. I'm looking forward to seeing the full explanation for the penalties imposed. The only thing that I can think of at the moment is that Fernando has been penalised for deliberately holding back Hamilton (the obvious bit) and McLaren have been penalised for obstructing the investigation, or bringing the sport into disrepute for their attempted cover stories.... Why else would both driver AND team have been hit for the incident?
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Post by donsking on Aug 5, 2007 0:01:03 GMT
I don't agree with the FIM getting involved in this, if it was one team against another, then fine, but coming between a team and it's internal rivalries isn't really on. I can't see why McLaren as a team have been penalised, they were the class of the field anyway, Alonso and Hamilton were always going to be the front row, whatever happened in the pits hasn't prejudiced any other team. I'm glad to hear that I amn't the only one who thought this was nothing but an internal matter. I'm looking forward to seeing the full explanation for the penalties imposed. The only thing that I can think of at the moment is that Fernando has been penalised for deliberately holding back Hamilton (the obvious bit) and McLaren have been penalised for obstructing the investigation, or bringing the sport into disrepute for their attempted cover stories.... Why else would both driver AND team have been hit for the incident? Don't hold your breath for that explanation, unless you fancy dieing of asphyxia! The FIA had a better case for penalising McLaren over the 'stepneygate' thing, this is about column inches and making a race of it, nothing more.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 5, 2007 0:22:43 GMT
Par for the course I reckon; always more action in the Pits in F1 these days. (Warning! Warning! Thread Hi-jack Alert!!) While we're talking 4 wheels is anybody up on the Busch Race drama at Montreal today? In an incident-packed race serial bad-boy, Paris-Dakar regular and occasional Meals-on-Wheels driver Robbie Gordon, after being black-flagged, takes out lone Aussie and race leader Marcos Ambrose with two laps to go.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 5, 2007 0:23:51 GMT
World champion Fernando Alonso has been moved five places down the grid for Sunday's Hungarian Grand Prix after an incident in final qualifying. Lewis Hamilton was handed pole position hours after being delayed by his team-mate in the pit lane, meaning he was too late for his final lap. McLaren will also not be allowed to score constructors' points. From the BBC That's a bit fucking harsh, and could potentially have spoilt a good race. I don't agree with the FIM getting involved in this, if it was one team against another, then fine, but coming between a team and it's internal rivalries isn't really on. I can't see why McLaren as a team have been penalised, they were the class of the field anyway, Alonso and Hamilton were always going to be the front row, whatever happened in the pits hasn't predjudiced any other team. I wasn't too fussed about this before, but that's a really bad call. Yes but this is meant to be an Individual event to determine the best driver, the constructors title is a waste of space and causes more harm than good, ie team orders etc,etc
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Post by Deleted on Aug 5, 2007 0:33:56 GMT
Par for the course I reckon; always more action in the Pits in F1 these days. (Warning! Warning! Thread Hi-jack Alert!!) While we're talking 4 wheels is anybody up on the Busch Race drama at Montreal today? In an incident-packed race serial bad-boy, Paris-Dakar regular and occasional Meals-on-Wheels driver Robbie Gordon, after being black-flagged, takes out lone Aussie and race leader Marcos Ambrose with two laps to go. Not been following it as the TV channel over here weren't carrying it live...Was just gonna watch it "as live" tomorrow afternoon. What you say doesn't sound too surprising, though....Robbie Gordon has always been a bit of a wild one with a tendancy to go over the top, and a bit of a cock, IMHO....All sounds very interesting, so looks like I've got an entertaining few hours in front of the box tomorrow
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Post by donsking on Aug 5, 2007 0:35:08 GMT
You mean it's not really any different to speedway then, an individual sport masquerading as a team event?
Except in F1, it's the team effort that brings in the most money; the drivers provide a certain amount of sponsorship, the teams have the corporate clout to make the money flow into the sport, that's why they set so much store by the constructor's championship, that's what makes the money go around, the drivers are only marketing tools these days.
EDIT: my post was in respnse to ctylr's last comment.
I would also add that F1 has never been any different, it has always been about marketing individuals for the greater good of the team.
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Post by jimblanchard on Aug 5, 2007 11:53:59 GMT
Seems that the stewards have put Hamilton on pole. Alonso five places back on the grid.
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Post by schumi on Aug 5, 2007 12:34:05 GMT
And Fisi was demoted to 13th. McLaren are to appeal their points penalty, though if you ask me they're probably pleased Alonso and Lewis were split to avoid any first corner incidents. Still think the points penalty was harsh. Transcript of a conversation between Lewis and Ron Dennis yesterday, according to the Times:
Hamilton stormed up to Dennis saying: "Don't ever fucking do that to me again!" Dennis replied with: "Don't ever fucking speak to me like that again!" To which Hamilton said: "Go fucking swivel!"
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Post by Deleted on Aug 5, 2007 13:22:13 GMT
McLaren have been penalised for obstructing the investigation, or bringing the sport into disrepute for their attempted cover stories.... McLaren should be penalised if only for subjecting the public to such mealy-mouthed BS this weekend. Everyone could see what happened, and given Alonso's childish petulance this season, it never going to be explained away as being anything but a cynical spoiling attempt. Why didn't the team just state what everyone could see, and mumble some niceties about speaking with their drivers etc.. etc..., or even better, tell Alonso to sod-off and race somewhere else. Anyway, it looks like it's all backfired horribly on Alonso.
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Post by schumi on Aug 5, 2007 13:39:22 GMT
Race result:
1..Hamilton 2..Raikkonen 3..Heidfeld 4..Alonso 5..Kubica 6..Schumacher 7..Rosberg 8..Kovalainen
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Post by Deleted on Aug 5, 2007 13:52:14 GMT
While we're talking 4 wheels is anybody up on the Busch Race drama at Montreal today? I'm all for trying to make motor sport exciting, but I'm afraid that I find NASCAR far too contrived. Anyone gets too far ahead and 'debris' or whatever is mysteriously spotted on the track, and out comes the safety car to bunch everyone back up again.
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Post by schumi on Aug 5, 2007 17:39:53 GMT
Well, the admission from the big man himself: An emotionally-drained Ron Dennis has admitted that his McLaren outfit is being stretched to breaking point by the "tremendous amount of tension" existing between Fernando Alonso and Lewis Hamilton.
Looking tense and tired at the end of an "exhausting weekend", Dennis confirmed that the team would conduct an internal investigation into the qualifying debacle at Hungary that resulted in Alonso being demoted five grid-slots and McLaren denied collecting any points towards the Constructors' Championship. It was apparent, however, that Dennis believed that his two title-chasing drivers, rather than the team itself, were at fault on Saturday.
"What happened yesterday was really unacceptable and neither driver was blameless," he confirmed to ITV. "We could have been more aggressive in handling matters, but that isn't my style.
"There is a tremendous amount of tension within the team. Both our drivers are phenomenally competitive and looking for every advantage within a system that does not offer any advantage.
"We will not deviate away from equality. It is the foundation of the company. We will not, under any circumstances, offer either driver any advantage."
Already suffering relentless scrutiny from the Stepneygate crisis, McLaren and its chief executive have suffered a traumatic few weeks and it was palpably obvious from Dennis' overwrought demeanour that Hamilton's victory in Budapest had brought scarce consolation.
"I am so drained that I cannot feel any emotion," he reflected.
Hamilton is believed to have apologised for launching a foul-mouthed tirade against his boss on the team's pit-to-car radio at the end of qualifying, an outburst which prompted an aggrieved Dennis to throw his headset down in disgust. From www.planetf1.comSo, I wonder how hard it was for them to do the advert, because it looked pretty natural to me. I don't know quite what's going on at McLaren but I'm beginning to feel sorry for them. Or perhaps that's what they are hoping with the appeal coming up.
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Post by donsking on Aug 5, 2007 21:48:45 GMT
If Hamilton did make the comments reported, I'm pleased he's not loyal to Ron to the point of sycophancy, as I feared he might be.
Good race from him today, no dramas, just controlled and neat; fair play to him, under the circumstances, but I wonder how long it will be before the F1 political machine grinds him down.
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