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Post by Genghis on Aug 4, 2007 20:31:29 GMT
Seems that Ron has decided that he doesn't want the officials sticking their oar in either, given his public statements : “Fernando was being counted down by his engineer,” Dennis told reporters at the Hungaroring.
“He’s under the control of his engineer. He determined when he goes. That’s the sequence.
“And if you think that was a deliberate thing, then you can think what you want. I have given you exactly what happened.”
Dennis said it was Hamilton’s failure to stick to the agreed procedure during the fuel-burning phase of Q3 that was the catalyst for the delay.
“We have various procedures within the team and prior to practice we determine how it is going to be run, what our strategy is, and how that’s going to be enacted on the circuit,” he said.
“They were out of sequence because Lewis should have slowed and let Fernando past,” he said.
“And he didn’t. He charged off. That’s how we got out of sequence.”Ron Dennis isn't stupid, even if Alonso is guilty, he'd rather have his drivers start from 1st and 2nd, as opposed to 1st and 11th, or 1st and 22nd. Mr. Dennis knows full well what Alonso did,... and I can't see how what Lewis did earlier in the session made Alonso sit there for ten seconds longer than he needed to. I guess Ron wants to deal with Alonso in his own way, without costing McLaren any constructors points. But he knows Alonso is guilty as hell... and he will make Alonso pay. All the best Rob
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Post by Deleted on Aug 4, 2007 20:33:28 GMT
They always spout the line " team first, individuals 2nd" anyway, so Dennis is not going to slag Alonso off in public. Even though we would profer Hamilton to be Champ, Alonso is still McClarens best bet for the title. Two cars on the front row is perfect for Ron Dennis, rather than official,s pushing one down the grid.
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Post by Genghis on Aug 4, 2007 20:34:53 GMT
Well Ron's post race reaction contradicts what he's released after talking to his advisors. Let's see what happens tomorrow. Schumi, Too right - Ron was FURIOUS!! And then he realised a FIA sanction to Alonso would cost championship points All the best Rob
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Post by Deleted on Aug 4, 2007 20:42:49 GMT
Genghis. being a fan of Kenny Carter shall i take up the position of chief Alonso defender. Go Fernando! Alonso is King, all hail Alonso! jumped up English rookie who the hell he think he is anyway, i swat you like a Fly on my Paella.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 4, 2007 20:42:56 GMT
Too right - Ron was FURIOUS!! And then he realised a FIA sanction to Alonso would cost championship points Of course...now you have to ask WHO he was furious with. There is no way that Ron would have stated that Fernando was following a countdown if such a countdown was not taking place...The FIA have access to their radio communications. That suggests that it was someone in Fernando's team that was the subject of Ron's fury....the one who didn't tell Fernando to go when Hamilton was sitting behind him. Whether the Alonso team suffer any action probably depends on whether they are able to make a good enough case for themselves. It could easily be argued that because Hamilton was the one who went against team instructions, he caused the problems for himself. Fernando shouldn't be penalised and forced out the pits at an inopportune time due to the other driver deliberately ignoring the team protocol. There was also never any danger of Hamilton being forced out of 2nd place, so there was no danger to the overall team situation.
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Post by Genghis on Aug 4, 2007 20:47:31 GMT
Genghis. being a fan of Kenny Carter shall i take up the position of chief Alonso defender. Go Fernando! Alonso is King, all hail Alonso! jumped up English rookie who the hell he think he is anyway, i swat you like a Fly on my Paella. ;D ;D All the best Rob
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Post by schumi on Aug 4, 2007 20:52:00 GMT
That suggests that it was someone in Fernando's team that was the subject of Ron's fury....the one who didn't tell Fernando to go when Hamilton was sitting behind him. Not debating the rights and wrongs but didn't they say everyone was yelling at him to get a blooming move on? Seems to me that the immediate reaction is more honest, rather than the doctored, spun version that emanates after everyone's had time to calm down. I could be wrong, of course...
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Post by Deleted on Aug 4, 2007 21:04:35 GMT
Not debating the rights and wrongs but didn't they say everyone was yelling at him to get a blooming move on? Seems to me that the immediate reaction is more honest, rather than the doctored, spun version that emanates after everyone's had time to calm down. I could be wrong, of course... Didn't hear that being said, TBH. Was that on the TV coverage or somewhere else? As I said earlier....if Alonso's team make their case well then they should get away with it just fine. It seems that Hamilton made his own bed by not following team orders earlier in the session...The two drivers would not have been anywhere near the pits together if he had. However, if Ron does deem Alonso's team to have let the greater McLaren team down, you can be sure that their punishment will come, and that's what I was saying earlier...Internal matter. Ron knows how to sort things out
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Post by schumi on Aug 4, 2007 21:07:27 GMT
Not debating the rights and wrongs but didn't they say everyone was yelling at him to get a blooming move on? Seems to me that the immediate reaction is more honest, rather than the doctored, spun version that emanates after everyone's had time to calm down. I could be wrong, of course... Didn't hear that being said, TBH. Was that on the TV coverage or somewhere else? Yes it was on tele immediately after quali. But I do agree that McLaren should deal with it, and, providing they do, the marshalls shouldn't intervene. However, if McLaren don't take action then questions should be asked.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 4, 2007 21:32:40 GMT
I guess if Ron wants to be open about things, they could always release the recording of the transmissions sent to Fernando while he was in the pits...
He did actually lurch forward at one point and then stop again....I wonder if he was being told to go by one person (or more) and told to continue to wait for the countdown by his own engineer.
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Post by donsking on Aug 4, 2007 21:33:26 GMT
I doubt we will ever know the outcome of this.
If they were sensible, the radio conversation between Alonso and his engineer will have been minimal and noncommittal, and all will be decided on the track tomorrow.
It wouldn't surprise me if the odd wheel nut is dropped or a surprise fuel rig failure occurs during an Alonso pitstop...........
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Post by schumi on Aug 4, 2007 22:10:35 GMT
World champion Fernando Alonso has been moved five places down the grid for Sunday's Hungarian Grand Prix after an incident in final qualifying. Lewis Hamilton was handed pole position hours after being delayed by his team-mate in the pit lane, meaning he was too late for his final lap.
McLaren will also not be allowed to score constructors' points.
From the BBC
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Post by Deleted on Aug 4, 2007 22:14:37 GMT
As I am sure you can guess after earlier comments, I am not impressed with the FIA's meddling in this situation. It'll be interesting to hear what Ron has to say to this! Edit - Oops! Also forgot to mention that preventing McLaren from scoring any points is an absolute joke. The FIA has been brown nosing Ferrari in a big way for last few years, but this just takes the cake.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 4, 2007 22:15:42 GMT
Filthy Pig Dogs , i will show you English BASTARDO the way home on the track tomorrow.
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Post by donsking on Aug 4, 2007 22:57:57 GMT
World champion Fernando Alonso has been moved five places down the grid for Sunday's Hungarian Grand Prix after an incident in final qualifying. Lewis Hamilton was handed pole position hours after being delayed by his team-mate in the pit lane, meaning he was too late for his final lap. McLaren will also not be allowed to score constructors' points. From the BBC That's a bit fucking harsh, and could potentially have spoilt a good race. I don't agree with the FIM getting involved in this, if it was one team against another, then fine, but coming between a team and it's internal rivalries isn't really on. I can't see why McLaren as a team have been penalised, they were the class of the field anyway, Alonso and Hamilton were always going to be the front row, whatever happened in the pits hasn't predjudiced any other team. I wasn't too fussed about this before, but that's a really bad call.
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