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Post by Genghis on May 23, 2009 15:01:22 GMT
I'm not sticking up for anyone Genghis, like i said I'm not going to condem anyone on the basis of an article by Dave Wright - who doesn't rank very highly in my list of sports journalists. Yep, there probably is some debts outstanding, but how much and who to - the story was all a bit ambiguous to me, and seems like the info was provided by someone within the club who's a bit pissed off. The way its written you'd have thought Mark Legg had run off with an amount akin to the Brinx Matt roberty. Flapperjack can't even get the league we raced in last season correct, doesn't that go somehow to show how much checking he does? Wacks - believe me, the Sports Editor would not print an article along those lines without a little checking up. Dave Wright has a long association reporting on Reading Speedway. He wouldn't go out of his way to hurt it - but at the same time, it is his job to report the facts. You can't blame him for reporting the shortcomings of Mark Legg.
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Post by Deleted on May 23, 2009 16:38:42 GMT
I'm most surprised that you are sticking up for Legg, given the damage he has done to Reading Speedway. Why should you be surprised Genghis? You couldn't see the damage that Horton was doing to Oxford until the very last minute despite many posts trying to spell it out on the BSF at the time . It wasn't until the boobs went vertical that you saw the light, and until that time you wouldn't have a bad word said about him or the club! Mark Legg and his associates ensured that Reading continued to the end of the following season after taking over, and the blame for the eventual (hopefully temporary) demise of The Racers can't be placed on their promotion. On the contrary, the demise of Oxford speedway was solely the fault of the promotion......they pulled out halfway through the season and serious damage was done to their reputation in the eyes of the fans, the sport in general and their landlords. It's my guess that Reading will have far fewer hurdles to jump than Oxford if a return of the sport were to happen in either area......and yes, I know that Reading don't currently have a stadium to run in!!!
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Post by Genghis on May 23, 2009 17:11:12 GMT
I'm most surprised that you are sticking up for Legg, given the damage he has done to Reading Speedway. Why should you be surprised Genghis? You couldn't see the damage that Horton was doing to Oxford until the very last minute despite many posts trying to spell it out on the BSF at the time . It wasn't until the boobs went vertical that you saw the light, and until that time you wouldn't have a bad word said about him or the club! Mark Legg and his associates ensured that Reading continued to the end of the following season after taking over, and the blame for the eventual (hopefully temporary) demise of The Racers can't be placed on their promotion. On the contrary, the demise of Oxford speedway was solely the fault of the promotion......they pulled out halfway through the season and serious damage was done to their reputation in the eyes of the fans, the sport in general and their landlords. It's my guess that Reading will have far fewer hurdles to jump than Oxford if a return of the sport were to happen in either area......and yes, I know that Reading don't currently have a stadium to run in!!! Kev, unfortunately, I don't think the sport is returning to either location in the short-term. I think the part of the demise of Reading Speedway can be placed very much on its final two promotions - I don't think the BSI bloke or Legg did anything for the reputation of the club, without them the local council might have done more to try to preserve speedway within Reading. I'd imagine Auntie Pat is horrified at what happened after she left.
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Post by Genghis on May 23, 2009 19:40:05 GMT
I would like to nominate AndyM for being an annoying knob.
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Post by schumi on May 23, 2009 21:12:41 GMT
Any thread in particular, or just in general?
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Post by Deleted on May 23, 2009 21:25:26 GMT
Lets get this straight. I'm not defending Mark Legg, I haven't a scooby whats' gone or is going on with the club at the moment.
And Genghis, you haven't a clue. Dave Wright might have a long association on speedway reporting in the club, he might not go out of his way to hurt the club, but believe me he hasn't done much to help it either. The past few seasons any reports in the local rag have either been match reports or news updates written by Andy Povey or Dave Wright has picked up a few comments from fans internet forums and written some tabloid trash stuff based around it. Or when he has had a decent story to run, he's published it before the club has made official announcements and pissed them off - I think actually after the last episode when he reported the signing of a rider the day before an official club forum he wasn't actually given any further "scoopes". Since the lot who kick a bag of wind about moved into the Mad Stad he's not really bothered about Speedway, I think I saw him 3 times at Smallmead last season, and not many more than that the year or two before. The only decent speedway articles (excluding match reports etc) published in recent years have been by Nick Dyer who did a weekly bit for the Reading Chronicle.
The local council wouldn't have done anything else to help Reading speedway stay at Smallmead. They wanted their money from the sale of the land and had already given Stadia UK at least 2 lease extensions in hope that the new stadium would be built and ready before they finally cashed their cheque from the sale of Smallmead.
Auntie Pat really couldn't give a shit about what happened after she left, sure she missed some of the fans and the support team at the club, but she'd had her fill by then. She didn't make as much as she could have done out of the club, but the offer came along so probably knowing that the time of the lease was starting to tick louder & louder she took it.
If Auntie Pat & Uncle Bill hadn't cashed in the 99 year lease Reg Fearman had secured on the site, for whatever reason that happened (and nobody seems to have a definative answer on that one) we may not be in the situation we are currently in - so who's to blame Allied Presentations, BSI, Legg?
To clarify again, I'm not defending Mark Legg, I'm not naive enough to thing that there's probably no smoke without fire and all that, but I'm not going to crucify him yet either based on an article written by someone who's known to glean stories from hearsay.
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Post by Genghis on May 23, 2009 21:58:03 GMT
Any thread in particular, or just in general? In general, although he's been particulary annoying on some of the Coventry / Poole threads on the BSF, where he's trying to act as some sort of authority whilst completely getting things wrong.
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Post by Genghis on May 23, 2009 22:13:34 GMT
Lets get this straight. I'm not defending Mark Legg, I haven't a scooby whats' gone or is going on with the club at the moment. And Genghis, you haven't a clue. Dave Wright might have a long association on speedway reporting in the club, he might not go out of his way to hurt the club, but believe me he hasn't done much to help it either. The past few seasons any reports in the local rag have either been match reports or news updates written by Andy Povey or Dave Wright has picked up a few comments from fans internet forums and written some tabloid trash stuff based around it. Or when he has had a decent story to run, he's published it before the club has made official announcements and pissed them off - I think actually after the last episode when he reported the signing of a rider the day before an official club forum he wasn't actually given any further "scoopes". Since the lot who kick a bag of wind about moved into the Mad Stad he's not really bothered about Speedway, I think I saw him 3 times at Smallmead last season, and not many more than that the year or two before. The only decent speedway articles (excluding match reports etc) published in recent years have been by Nick Dyer who did a weekly bit for the Reading Chronicle. The local council wouldn't have done anything else to help Reading speedway stay at Smallmead. They wanted their money from the sale of the land and had already given Stadia UK at least 2 lease extensions in hope that the new stadium would be built and ready before they finally cashed their cheque from the sale of Smallmead. Auntie Pat really couldn't give a shit about what happened after she left, sure she missed some of the fans and the support team at the club, but she'd had her fill by then. She didn't make as much as she could have done out of the club, but the offer came along so probably knowing that the time of the lease was starting to tick louder & louder she took it. If Auntie Pat & Uncle Bill hadn't cashed in the 99 year lease Reg Fearman had secured on the site, for whatever reason that happened (and nobody seems to have a definative answer on that one) we may not be in the situation we are currently in - so who's to blame Allied Presentations, BSI, Legg? To clarify again, I'm not defending Mark Legg, I'm not naive enough to thing that there's probably no smoke without fire and all that, but I'm not going to crucify him yet either based on an article written by someone who's known to glean stories from hearsay. Wacks - OK thanks, I now understand you're not actually defending Legg. Believe me, a newspaper would make some sort of check before running a story of this nature.
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Post by Deleted on May 23, 2009 22:22:59 GMT
Lets get this straight. I'm not defending Mark Legg, I haven't a scooby whats' gone or is going on with the club at the moment. And Genghis, you haven't a clue. Dave Wright might have a long association on speedway reporting in the club, he might not go out of his way to hurt the club, but believe me he hasn't done much to help it either. The past few seasons any reports in the local rag have either been match reports or news updates written by Andy Povey or Dave Wright has picked up a few comments from fans internet forums and written some tabloid trash stuff based around it. Or when he has had a decent story to run, he's published it before the club has made official announcements and pissed them off - I think actually after the last episode when he reported the signing of a rider the day before an official club forum he wasn't actually given any further "scoopes". Since the lot who kick a bag of wind about moved into the Mad Stad he's not really bothered about Speedway, I think I saw him 3 times at Smallmead last season, and not many more than that the year or two before. The only decent speedway articles (excluding match reports etc) published in recent years have been by Nick Dyer who did a weekly bit for the Reading Chronicle. The local council wouldn't have done anything else to help Reading speedway stay at Smallmead. They wanted their money from the sale of the land and had already given Stadia UK at least 2 lease extensions in hope that the new stadium would be built and ready before they finally cashed their cheque from the sale of Smallmead. Auntie Pat really couldn't give a shit about what happened after she left, sure she missed some of the fans and the support team at the club, but she'd had her fill by then. She didn't make as much as she could have done out of the club, but the offer came along so probably knowing that the time of the lease was starting to tick louder & louder she took it. If Auntie Pat & Uncle Bill hadn't cashed in the 99 year lease Reg Fearman had secured on the site, for whatever reason that happened (and nobody seems to have a definative answer on that one) we may not be in the situation we are currently in - so who's to blame Allied Presentations, BSI, Legg? To clarify again, I'm not defending Mark Legg, I'm not naive enough to thing that there's probably no smoke without fire and all that, but I'm not going to crucify him yet either based on an article written by someone who's known to glean stories from hearsay. Wacks - OK thanks, I now understand you're not actually defending Legg. Believe me, a newspaper would make some sort of check before running a story of this nature. I wouldn't bank on it genghis, our own (and Speedway Star's) Elvin King is a prime example of printing exactly what he wants, often with no truth involved at all.
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Post by Deleted on May 23, 2009 22:44:26 GMT
Ok Genghis, you win. I've only been reading Dave Wrights speedway reports for the past 30 years, but you know best. I must have been mistaken previously when I've read his articles and thought to myself "well I know for a fact that's a load of bollox!"
It's not just his speedway reporting that has been a problem, one of my friends has had issues with him for mis-reporting items relating to other local sports he was involved with. I'll let him know he must have been wrong too.
I'm not dispelling his latest article, I said before there's no smoke with out fire and sadly the story is likey to have come from someone involved with the club, but I wouldn't bet my house on the fact that he fully checked the story out before publishing it.
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Post by Genghis on May 23, 2009 22:52:14 GMT
but I wouldn't bet my house on the fact that he fully checked the story out before publishing it. Wacks, but it wouldn't be him checking it, it would be the Sports Editor. An article making claims about unpaid debts would be checked before being printed, to avoid the paper getting into any kind of libel action.
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Post by Deleted on May 23, 2009 23:09:44 GMT
www.getreading.co.uk/contact_us/s/2024490_contact_usHe's listed in his article various staff etc who are owed money, but no names. Sure he probably checked with the person who gave him the story, but I bet he's not checked with all those his mentioned. But he's not stupid "an insider claimed" pretty much puts him in the clear for libel doesn't it? If it was ever challenged, EP would issue an apology as they normally do when they mis-report and maybe get a slap on the wrist. They're not the best local news paper in the land and are alwasy issuing apologies for one thing or another. Most people wouldn't wipe their arse on what they print most of the time, probably why they're going from a daily to a twice weekly soon.
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Post by Deleted on May 24, 2009 1:41:42 GMT
An article making claims about unpaid debts would be checked before being printed, to avoid the paper getting into any kind of libel action. Would it? How many times have newspapers been taken to court for printing untruths? I am not saying that is the case here but your comment suggests they always get it right and that's not true.
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Post by Genghis on May 24, 2009 8:13:49 GMT
An article making claims about unpaid debts would be checked before being printed, to avoid the paper getting into any kind of libel action. Would it? How many times have newspapers been taken to court for printing untruths? I am not saying that is the case here but your comment suggests they always get it right and that's not true. ML - we're talking a small local paper here, they can't afford to be sued. They simply cannot afford to have a print and be damned attitude - they have to check out anything which could lead to legal action. The local paper I write for, told me, when I took over doing it, that the previous chap had not been critical enough of Colin Horton - but then didn't want to print what I had to say about him
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Post by Genghis on May 24, 2009 8:33:35 GMT
I'm most surprised that you are sticking up for Legg, given the damage he has done to Reading Speedway. Why should you be surprised Genghis? You couldn't see the damage that Horton was doing to Oxford until the very last minute despite many posts trying to spell it out on the BSF at the time . It wasn't until the boobs went vertical that you saw the light, and until that time you wouldn't have a bad word said about him or the club! Mark Legg and his associates ensured that Reading continued to the end of the following season after taking over, and the blame for the eventual (hopefully temporary) demise of The Racers can't be placed on their promotion. On the contrary, the demise of Oxford speedway was solely the fault of the promotion......they pulled out halfway through the season and serious damage was done to their reputation in the eyes of the fans, the sport in general and their landlords. It's my guess that Reading will have far fewer hurdles to jump than Oxford if a return of the sport were to happen in either area......and yes, I know that Reading don't currently have a stadium to run in!!! Kev - think for a moment. What happened to anyone the moment they criticised Horton? Can you maybe see why I was keeping quiet on forums in the first part of 2007, instead of expressing the concerns that I had building pretty much from the moment Horton had berated supporters on both the internet (the infamous "I don't need the fans" post) and at pre-season forums. After what Horton did to us, I hate to see anything even remotely like that happening to another club.
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