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Post by admin on Mar 20, 2009 15:57:35 GMT
So, Ipswich's Jaroslaw Hampel becomes the first rider to miss a meeting for "suspicious" reasons, but I imagine it is just a coincidence that today (when Hampel should've been sampling the delights of speedway by the side of the lake) sees his Polish team hold their equivalent of a Press and Practice day: www.sportowefakty.pl/zuzel/2009/03/20/unia-w-koncu-na-swoim-torze/ |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 20, 2009 16:30:57 GMT
I imagine it is just a coincidence that today (when Hampel should've been sampling the delights of speedway by the side of the lake) sees his Polish team hold their equivalent of a Press and Practice day: Why on earth does British speedway continue to tolerate this nonsense? I know some will claim there's a shortage of riders, but do the powers-that-be really think we can't put 2-and-2 together.  |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 20, 2009 16:50:24 GMT
I imagine it is just a coincidence that today (when Hampel should've been sampling the delights of speedway by the side of the lake) sees his Polish team hold their equivalent of a Press and Practice day: Why on earth does British speedway continue to tolerate this nonsense? I know some will claim there's a shortage of riders, but do the powers-that-be really think we can't put 2-and-2 together. It's pathetic . These types of rider are just killing the sport . If there were more promoters that treated riders like that the same as Graham Drury - then that would put a stop to it . What these riders dont understand is that Britain is the spiritual home of speedway , yes Sweden and Poland have been the bigger and better leagues for a few years now , but these fly-by-night countries are not far away from being on their arse - and it will be Britain yet again which will be the place to ride . |
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Post by admin on Mar 20, 2009 16:56:51 GMT
It's pathetic . These types of rider are just killing the sport . I agree, to a certain extent. But "these types of rider" don't get away with it in Poland. Or, to be more precise, their clubs don't get away with it. The BSPA's answer to everything is a facility for the club. That is NOT the case in Poland. Maybe if a few clubs learned harsh lessons when their overseas riders decided they didn't fancy it, they'd be less inclined to be indulgent. |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 20, 2009 18:25:28 GMT
Or, to be more precise, their clubs don't get away with it. I think that teams technically don't get facilities for such unauthorised absences, but the problem is that the 'withholding services' clause has been liberally applied in recent years. The BSPA should blacklist riders who're obviously taking the piss, and not allow them to be employed by any team. If you sign a contract to race in Britain, then you have ever right to expect riders to turn-up for every meeting. Of course, much of this could be avoided if there was some coordination between the main leagues, but I guess that's a forlorn hope. The likes of Poland and to a lesser extent Sweden haven't seen the need until now, but with the change in economic fortunes, they might have to be a bit more accommodating in future. |
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Post by admin on Mar 20, 2009 18:32:52 GMT
Of course, much of this could be avoided if there was some coordination between the main leagues, but I guess that's a forlorn hope. The likes of Poland and to a lesser extent Sweden haven't seen the need until now, but with the change in economic fortunes, they might have to be a bit more accommodating in future. But surely the problem with "co-ordination" isn't solely with the Poles and Swedes - the sticking point has to be the demands of the British. Generally speaking, the Poles and Swedes take up a single day each week, it's not as if their demands are onerous. And the Polish authorities are largely indifferent as to whether non-Poles ride for clubs on a given day or don't ride. |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 20, 2009 19:50:54 GMT
But surely the problem with "co-ordination" isn't solely with the Poles and Swedes - the sticking point has to be the demands of the British. Completely agree it has to be three way cooperation. However, if everyone took the attitude of the Polish teams with respect to their local riders, then the system of 'rider sharing' would break down pretty quickly. |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 20, 2009 20:39:51 GMT
Ban the twat.
Blatant dodging. Don't need a discussion about it. He's claiming injury to ride elsewhere (which isn't even a meeting).
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Post by Deleted on Mar 20, 2009 20:40:28 GMT
Did he actually ride in the P&P?
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Post by admin on Mar 20, 2009 22:06:10 GMT
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Post by schumi on Mar 20, 2009 22:13:15 GMT
According to Leszno's website, all the home (Polish) riders were expected to ride tonight. Whether he did or not I guess we'll find out.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 21, 2009 14:17:13 GMT
If he rode i would sack him on the spot from Ipswich. If he didnt then whats the hassle? the guys injured he is probably in poland for treatment so why not go along.
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Post by admin on Mar 24, 2009 2:54:12 GMT
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Post by schumi on Mar 24, 2009 8:39:13 GMT
Some random thoughts, not aimed at anyone in particular, because I'm sure we'll see this sort of thing happen again with other riders.
I guess everyone's called in to work sick at some point because they've had something else to do - a family emergency or a prior engagement they couldn't get out of.
A also imagine that a doctors note was provided in this case, as the team had a facility, so no wrongdoing on their part.
The problem comes if a team is knowingly granted a facility for a rider who's missing for circumstances other than what's written on the doctor's note. I'm not saying this is the case, but Leszno's P&P had been arranged for some time prior to our season starting.
Obviously it wasn't Ipswich's fault there was a clash, and there was nothing they could do about it, so it's not fair they should be without their number one rider and have to replace him with a PL reserve. Why should the paying fans be deprived of seeing competitive races just because Poland have their riders by the balls? And especially with other riders missing through injury in an unimportant challenge meeting. But then, on the other hand, if the rider can't make it to a meeting, shouldn't it be tough luck?
So a suggestion which should satisfy both sides of the argument: Either start handing out retrospective penalties if it's shown someone's been riding with a sick note, or change the rules to assess each situation by its own circumstances.
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Post by nobbyclark on Mar 24, 2009 8:47:17 GMT
Some random thoughts, not aimed at anyone in particular, because I'm sure we'll see this sort of thing happen again with other riders. I guess everyone's called in to work sick at some point because they've had something else to do - a family emergency or a prior engagement they couldn't get out of. A also imagine that a doctors note was provided in this case, as the team had a facility, so no wrongdoing on their part. The problem comes if a team is knowingly granted a facility for a rider who's missing for circumstances other than what's written on the doctor's note. I'm not saying this is the case, but Leszno's P&P had been arranged for some time prior to our season starting. Obviously it wasn't Ipswich's fault there was a clash, and there was nothing they could do about it, so it's not fair they should be without their number one rider and have to replace him with a PL reserve. Why should the paying fans be deprived of seeing competitive races just because Poland have their riders by the balls? And especially with other riders missing through injury in an unimportant challenge meeting. But then, on the other hand, if the rider can't make it to a meeting, shouldn't it be tough luck? So a suggestion which should satisfy both sides of the argument: Either start handing out retrospective penalties if it's shown someone's been riding with a sick note, or change the rules to assess each situation by its own circumstances. Indeed  look at young Zabik - His mother is seriously ill back in Poland and he is understandably not prepared to travel over the UK during this period - Family has to come first - yet because he's not injured we cannot use R/R to cover his absence and Vissing has to move up into the main body of the team and we have to draft a unproven 17 year old in as reserve!  commonsense should prevail!  |
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look at young Zabik - His mother is seriously ill back in Poland and he is understandably not prepared to travel over the UK during this period - Family has to come first - yet because he's not injured we cannot use R/R to cover his absence and Vissing has to move up into the main body of the team and we have to draft a unproven 17 year old in as reserve! 
