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Post by Deleted on Sept 13, 2009 10:39:38 GMT
At the end of the day, the rules are bollocks. Time for someone with big cahoonas to reclaim some credibility in the sport. The rules are fine, the problem is the UK cant create enough kids with the determination to fill the PL hence its need to use foreigners. Pugsley as usual is hypocritical re absences but he hasnt the bollocks to deviate from what paulco tells him.
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Post by Genghis on Sept 13, 2009 10:42:36 GMT
At the end of the day, the rules are bollocks. Time for someone with big cahoonas to reclaim some credibility in the sport. The rules are fine, the problem is the UK cant create enough kids with the determination to fill the PL hence its need to use foreigners. Pugsley as usual is hypocritical re absences but he hasnt the bollocks to deviate from what paulco tells him. Really? But haven't I said already that Conda is another piss-taker who should be booted out of British Speedway, along with THJ, Wolbert and Dilger??
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Post by admin on Sept 13, 2009 10:55:41 GMT
The rules are fine, the problem is the UK cant create enough kids with the determination to fill the PL hence its need to use foreigners. Almost correct. The rules are far from fine, but they're deemed necessary because of the inability of the UK to develop enough domestic riders. That's why the Poles currently rule the speedway roost - they're the nation with the critical mass of domestic riders.
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Post by Genghis on Sept 13, 2009 11:27:19 GMT
The rules are fine, the problem is the UK cant create enough kids with the determination to fill the PL hence its need to use foreigners. Almost correct. The rules are far from fine, but they're deemed necessary because of the inability of the UK to develop enough domestic riders. That's why the Poles currently rule the speedway roost - they're the nation with the critical mass of domestic riders. And to change that critical mass, we need to introduce a gradual rule change over here. I would propose: 2010: Elite League - minimum of two British riders per team, including one under-21 rider Premier League - mimimum of four British riders per team, including two under-21 riders 2011: Elite League - minimum of three British riders per team, including one under-21 rider Premier League - minimum of five British rider per team, including two under-21 riders 2012 onwards (to be fixed until 2020): Elite League - minimum of four British riders per team, including two under-21 riders Premier League - minimum of six British riders per team, including three under-21 riders Of course, we also need an all-British National League, 80cc leagues, training schools, etc to support the above structure.
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Post by admin on Sept 13, 2009 11:55:53 GMT
Where, exactly, are those riders going to come from?
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Post by Genghis on Sept 13, 2009 12:03:25 GMT
Where, exactly, are those riders going to come from? That's why it's a gradual increase each year. It's true that to begin with, most of the British EL riders will be reserves, but they will improve in time if given the opportunites they are currently denied. I expected you to have on open mind rather than a closed one on this subject. It seems you're little better than the British promoters.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 13, 2009 12:48:05 GMT
Where, exactly, are those riders going to come from? That's why it's a gradual increase each year. It's true that to begin with, most of the British EL riders will be reserves, but they will improve in time if given the opportunites they are currently denied. I expected you to have on open mind rather than a closed one on this subject. It seems you're little better than the British promoters. You sound like some old colonial buffoon who won't accept Britain no longer rules the world.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 13, 2009 23:53:56 GMT
And to change that critical mass, we need to introduce a gradual rule change over here. I would propose: 2010: Elite League - minimum of two British riders per team, including one under-21 rider Premier League - mimimum of four British riders per team, including two under-21 riders 2011: Elite League - minimum of three British riders per team, including one under-21 rider Premier League - minimum of five British rider per team, including two under-21 riders 2012 onwards (to be fixed until 2020): Elite League - minimum of four British riders per team, including two under-21 riders Premier League - minimum of six British riders per team, including three under-21 riders Of course, we also need an all-British National League, 80cc leagues, training schools, etc to support the above structure. Not sure that this thread is the best place to be having this discussion, it should maybe be dragged off to somewhere that more people might see it.... However, as it's here I'll reply here... I think the final point that you made is the absolute key. British riders need to be given a bit of assistance, we can't just expect them to appear from no-where. Without a serious youth structure in place there is no hope of getting the riders coming through. I'm not sure that I would go as far as you have suggested for 2012, with a forced 4 UK riders in the EL and 6 in the PL, but something needs to be done, and we could do a lot worse than learning from the Poles. For years they allowed their U21 riders to race on a minimum average in the league (latterly with the abolition of a points limit just allowing U21 riders to stay at reserve) and a quick glance at the World U21 champs during that time suggests that it was a system that worked! When they started to allow any U21 rider to gain the same advantage they started to lose out a bit, but they have realised their mistake and are pushing things back in favour of Poles now. I would completely support a similar system in the UK leagues. Force teams to use UK U21 riders and allow them to race on 3 point average for the entire time they are U21. Of course this gives a huge advantage to a team that can get a great U21 rider, but that's the whole point....With an incentive like that, teams invest in youth development. Currently, if a British team spends any money on developing young talent, they get screwed over by the points limit and often it's much more advantageous to sign a foreign rider than stick with the young Brit that got a 5/6 point average at reserve in a season. If a team wants to spend money to develop young talents, make that an advantage to their league team, don't punish them for it. If you do that, you are likely to find far more good young riders coming through and you don't actually have to create rules that force teams to use Brits other than at reserve, as the talent will be coming through the ranks and be worth using in the team anyway!
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Post by schumi on Sept 18, 2009 21:53:03 GMT
Another double header for the Monarchs tonight, and they won both meetings against Redcar (60-33) and Berwick (60-30).
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Post by admin on Sept 19, 2009 18:15:33 GMT
Another double header for the Monarchs tonight, and they won both meetings against Redcar (60-33) and Berwick (60-30). And I was there, for a while. Walked out in abject disgust after one of the worst refereeing decisions ever seen. In the first running of Ht 4, Edinburgh's Wolbert loses control and crashes into the fence on turn 2 and the referee excludes Burza. Was it just incompetence, or something more sinister? Edinburgh do, after all, have representation on the all-powerful BSPA Management Committee.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 19, 2009 20:23:46 GMT
Whilst I agree with your view on the Burza being excluded was crap, Kevin didn't lose control he was left no where to go, it all started on the 1st bend so should have been all 4 back. To walk out of a meeting because of it bit OTT IMO
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Post by schumi on Sept 19, 2009 21:01:49 GMT
The Monarchs lose the meeting tonight against Rye House, but did enough in the first leg to make it through to the final of the KO cup.
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Post by admin on Sept 19, 2009 21:03:08 GMT
Never in a million years should it have been all four back. It wasn't on the first turn and that's just a "cop out" anyway. Wolbert lost control of his own accord and went into the fence. The only honest decision was to exclude Wolbert.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 19, 2009 21:19:18 GMT
[Was it just incompetence, or something more sinister? Edinburgh do, after all, have representation on the all-powerful BSPA Management Committee.What planet do you bloody well live on. It was a wrong decision get over it but for god's sake stop all this stupidty of sinister goings on.
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Post by admin on Sept 19, 2009 22:21:07 GMT
[Was it just incompetence, or something more sinister? Edinburgh do, after all, have representation on the all-powerful BSPA Management Committee.What planet do you bloody well live on. Planet earth. Have you visited it lately?
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