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Post by Deleted on Oct 21, 2007 22:35:31 GMT
Surely they leave themselves more open to ridicule if they don't do anything, especially as this can be proven to be an advantage. Rosberg had scored how many pts before today, and then all of a sudden he is up there.
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Post by schumi on Oct 21, 2007 22:38:02 GMT
Rosberg had scored how many pts before today. 15.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 21, 2007 22:42:50 GMT
15 all season then 5 in one race, If they get fined, then it all comes down to who can afford to cheat and the ability to pay any fine if caught.
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Post by donsking on Oct 21, 2007 22:43:53 GMT
Surely they leave themselves more open to ridicule if they don't do anything, especially as this can be proven to be an advantage. Rosberg had scored how many pts before today, and then all of a sudden he is up there. Depends on how technical you want to get. The FIA will probably impose some form of penalty, they have to if they want to keep any kind of credibilty. The reality is, a difference of 2 or 3 degrees in an ambiant temperature 30+C, wouldn't give them that much of an advantage. It might've been enough to stop Lewis catching up, but it wasn't enough to put any of them on the podium. Big fine, maybe something next year for a bit.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 21, 2007 22:58:49 GMT
So cheat in one season and get punished in another, doesn't make sense. Would be very harsh on Kimi, but rules are rules.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 21, 2007 23:06:22 GMT
We'll have to agree to disagree on Kimi, he may have ended up winning the most races and been otherwise very consistant, but he didn't really win today's race, and he certainly wasn't the most deserving winner overall. I call "bullshit" on that comment. Kimi is totally deserving of the championship, he has been immense since he got to grips the with Ferrari mid season, and only technical problems earlier in the season brought him so close to losing the crown. If the FIA change that result now, there will be no credibility left in the sport. Hamilton broke the rules this weekend and got a tiny fine. If anything else happens to the drivers with fuel issues it'll be a total farce.
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Post by donsking on Oct 21, 2007 23:07:14 GMT
So cheat in one season and get punished in another, doesn't make sense. Would be very harsh on Kimi, but rules are rules. I agree, but then we aren't really talking about pure sport, in the words of Swedish pop tart Meja, 'It's All 'bout The Money'. F1 isn't really a sport at all these days, it's about publicity, marketing, popularity and unimaginable amounts of cash!
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Post by Genghis on Oct 21, 2007 23:12:24 GMT
So cheat in one season and get punished in another, doesn't make sense. Would be very harsh on Kimi, but rules are rules. I agree - if the cars who finished fourth, fifth and sixth were illegal, they have to be disqualified - there's no precedent for holding over penalties to the following season. Would sum this season of F1 if the World Championship was decided in this way.
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Post by schumi on Oct 21, 2007 23:16:37 GMT
Doesn't matter who you support and who you like. Fact is McLaren fell to pieces over this spy saga - the sniping and backbiting within the team destroyed them and their chances. Ferrari had their little dig and got on with it, with the result that Kimi is the world champion. If BMW are excluded Kimi will still be the rightful WC, just as McLaren are the rightful constructors champions.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 21, 2007 23:20:45 GMT
We'll have to agree to disagree on Kimi, he may have ended up winning the most races and been otherwise very consistant, but he didn't really win today's race, and he certainly wasn't the most deserving winner overall. I call "bullshit" on that comment. Kimi is totally deserving of the championship, he has been immense since he got to grips the with Ferrari mid season, and only technical problems earlier in the season brought him so close to losing the crown. If the FIA change that result now, there will be no credibility left in the sport. Hamilton broke the rules this weekend and got a tiny fine. If anything else happens to the drivers with fuel issues it'll be a total farce. But this would be deliberately knowingly breaking the rules during the race, not a small cock up in qualifying.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 21, 2007 23:21:33 GMT
I agree - if the cars who finished fourth, fifth and sixth were illegal, they have to be disqualified - there's no precedent for holding over penalties to the following season. But the "cars" weren't illegal....just the fuel that went in them Just like the tyres that went on Lewis' car in practice were illegal....but a fine was OK for that one. No need to hold punishment over until next season, just hand out piffling little fines But this would be deliberately knowingly breaking the rules during the race, not a small cock up in qualifying. Rules is rules...and punishments is punishments. If a small fine is good for one, it's surely good for all
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Post by Deleted on Oct 21, 2007 23:25:18 GMT
To use a Speedway analagy who was 2nd in the 1990 World Final.
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Post by donsking on Oct 21, 2007 23:26:05 GMT
I agree - if the cars who finished fourth, fifth and sixth were illegal, they have to be disqualified - there's no precedent for holding over penalties to the following season. But the "cars" weren't illegal....just the fuel that went in them Just like the tyres that went on Lewis' car in practice were illegal....but a fine was OK for that one. No need to hold punishment over until next season, just hand out piffling little fines But this would be deliberately knowingly breaking the rules during the race, not a small cock up in qualifying. Rules is rules...and punishments is punishments. If a small fine is good for one, it's surely good for all No, if the fuel temperatures were measured after every pit stop, and they were found to be under, then they were running fuel coolers during the race, and that's illegal.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 21, 2007 23:31:03 GMT
No, if the fuel temperatures were measured after every pit stop, and they were found to be under, then they were running fuel coolers during the race, and that's illegal. From what I have read, they are suggesting that it was the temperature of the fuel going into the cars that was the problem...not that fuel in the cars. The BBC report suggests there would be a power advantage for about 3 laps after the stop while the fuel adjusted to ambient temperatures....So the cars were clearly legal, the issue is with the fuel rigs.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 21, 2007 23:32:17 GMT
Also if McClaren can be booted out of the constructors championship 3/4 of the way through a season a race result can be ammended a few hours later if its deemed just.
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