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Post by donsking on Oct 21, 2007 19:20:25 GMT
Oh well, it was Hamilton's championship to lose, and lose it he did, although he really lost it in China when he stuffed the car into the gravel trap.
Can't say I entirely blame McLaren; yes, they should've got him in sooner at the last race, but then if Lewis was a bit more experienced and a little bit stronger, he could've called the shots on that.
As for today's strategy, running a three stopper saved him 10 seconds, so no complaints there.
As it was, it ended up as I predicted, the Ferraris stonewalled him at the first corner and he was so busy figuring out what was going on in front of him, he left Alonso enough room for him to slip up his inside; at that point he should've just tucked in behind Alonso.
Any road, joint second on points in your first season is pretty damn good, but if he thought this year's press coverage was intense, wait til 2008 when nothing other than the title will be acceptable!
Glad the dago didn't win, but I'm not sure it was the best result for the sport; I think so Kimi won't be the best ambassador F1 has ever had.............
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Post by Deleted on Oct 21, 2007 20:11:38 GMT
Well I am gutted for Hamilton, I really thought he would do it, and he probably would have if it wasn't for McClaren. Really wasn't a good race for me with Lewis not winning and Webber and Button yet again failing to finish. But congratulations Raikkonen on winning the title, at least it was Kimi and not the spainsh flapperjack, now that would have been awful. You echoed my thoughts precisely mimi. What on earth is going on at McLaren? I'm gutted for Lewis, but better Kimi than the traitor.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 21, 2007 20:15:03 GMT
Losing the title isn't the end of the world for Lewis is it.The lads got a multitude of years ahead of him yet so long as them shits from the press give him some privacy. TBH all the controversy this year has really put me off F1 & none of the parties concerned can claim any innocence. Anyway well done to Kimi cos i didn't wanna see that arsehole of a dago win it.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 21, 2007 20:19:22 GMT
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Post by Genghis on Oct 21, 2007 20:55:33 GMT
I thought team orders were outlawed, in which case can we expect to see Lewis crowned as World Champion in the FIA courts in a few weeks time. ;D ;D Quite glad King Kimi won it though, as opposed to the Spanish bastard. McLaren blew it for Lewis in China - yes, Lewis showed a little experience today, but it shouldn't have gone as far as today's race.
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Post by Genghis on Oct 21, 2007 20:56:59 GMT
And he got one - via Lewis's faulty gearbox.
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Post by donsking on Oct 21, 2007 21:13:11 GMT
McLaren blew it for Lewis in China - yes, Lewis showed a little experience today, but it shouldn't have gone as far as today's race. Sorry, but I still can't totally go along with this. It was obvious that he was struggling with the car at least three laps before he came in, so why wasn't he screaming down the radio and telling them he was coming in? Also, the team can't do anything about a driver who drives beyond the capabilities of the car, he knew he had no grip, so why take a chance and come into a tight pit lane so hot? The odd thing is, he understeered into the trap, another driver might've flicked the tail out to compensate; to me, it was no different to that incident a few years ago when DC understeered into the pit wall, driver error. If Hamilton has a fault, it's his insistance on driving so aggressively; it's very entertaining, but the downside is that things like that, and the mistake he made today, happen. So long as he, and his team and sponsors, can live with that, then long may it continue, but I reckon he needs to take the edge off himself a little.
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Post by schumi on Oct 21, 2007 21:24:12 GMT
BMW Sauber and Williams are under investigation of the Brazilian Grand Prix race stewards, autosport.com has learned.
Representatives of both teams were summoned to the stewards' office after their cars failed post-race inspection at Brazil.
The problem is believed to be in the tempature of the fuel samples taken from the cars of Williams's Nico Rosberg and BMW Sauber's Robert Kubica and Nick Heidfeld.
The trio finished the race in fourth, fifth and sixth respectively.
More details to follow...
From Autosport.com
Well, if the championship changes because of that I'm not watching any more.
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Post by donsking on Oct 21, 2007 21:34:45 GMT
BMW Sauber and Williams are under investigation of the Brazilian Grand Prix race stewards, autosport.com has learned. Representatives of both teams were summoned to the stewards' office after their cars failed post-race inspection at Brazil. The problem is believed to be in the tempature of the fuel samples taken from the cars of Williams's Nico Rosberg and BMW Sauber's Robert Kubica and Nick Heidfeld. The trio finished the race in fourth, fifth and sixth respectively. More details to follow... From Autosport.com Well, if the championship changes because of that I'm not watching any more. Fuel temperature? That's a new one on me, I can only assume they were running some kind of cooling system on the fuel tank, in which case they could gain a significant advantage. After all that's gone on this year, how ironic would it be if Kimi got stripped of his title because of the actions of someone other Ferrari or McLaren. I think so very! ;D
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Post by schumi on Oct 21, 2007 21:58:49 GMT
After all that's gone on this year, how ironic would it be if Kimi got stripped of his title because of the actions of someone other Ferrari or McLaren. I think so very! ;D Not at all. Kimi, Lewis and Felipe are the only innocent parties in this whole sorry mess. Out of the three Kimi has won the most races and been the most consistent. Politics and the rest of the whole "cheating" business aside, Kimi is the deserved winner of this championship, and had it gone on the old points system it would have been tied up earlier. Irrespective of this decision I'm completely fed up with race results being decided after the race in the stewards room. If they change it now it'll be the final nail in the coffin for me.
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Post by donsking on Oct 21, 2007 22:05:11 GMT
After all that's gone on this year, how ironic would it be if Kimi got stripped of his title because of the actions of someone other Ferrari or McLaren. I think so very! ;D Not at all. Kimi, Lewis and Felipe are the only innocent parties in this whole sorry mess. Out of the three Kimi has won the most races and been the most consistent. Politics and the rest of the whole "cheating" business aside, Kimi is the deserved winner of this championship, and had it gone on the old points system it would have been tied up earlier. Irrespective of this decision I'm completely fed up with race results being decided after the race in the stewards room. If they change it now it'll be the final nail in the coffin for me. We'll have to agree to disagree on Kimi, he may have ended up winning the most races and been otherwise very consistant, but he didn't really win today's race, and he certainly wasn't the most deserving winner overall. As for the rest of it, if you want to be in a sport covered by so many rules, then you have to expect it's not always over when the chequered flag is waved; the alternative is less rules and more cheating, that doesn't sound too good either.
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Post by schumi on Oct 21, 2007 22:10:08 GMT
The FIA has confirmed that the fuel temperatures of the BMW Sauber and Williams cars were outside the regulations during the course of the Brazilian Grand Prix.
As the race stewards continue to investigate the matter to decide on whether or not a punishment is necessary, a statement issued by technical delegate Jo Bauer revealed the extent of the temperature variation of the cars involved.
Article 6.5.5 of the Formula One technical regulations states: "No fuel on board the car may be more than ten degrees centigrade below ambient temperature."
The statement issued by Bauer showed that Heidfeld's fuel was 13 degrees centigrade lower than ambient at his first stop and 12 degrees centigrade lower at his second stop.
Robert Kubica's fuel varied by 14 degrees, 13 degrees and 13 degrees at his three stops; Nico Rosberg's fuel was 13 degrees and 12 degrees out at his two stops and Kazuki Nakajima's was 12 degrees out at his first stop. His second stop was inside the 10-degree limit.
Spyker technical chief Mike Gascoyne said he believed the variation would have provided a performance advantage.
"It can be five to ten horsepower easily," he told autosport.com. "The car is producing a performance advantage during the race. If they dump fuel in that is below the limit, it is an illegal performance advantage. They should be excluded from the event, there is absolutely no doubt."
The implications of a disqualification for the BMW and Williams drivers would be huge, as it could potentially move Lewis Hamilton up the order into fourth place.
In such a case, Hamilton would be crowned the world championship.
From autosport.com
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Post by donsking on Oct 21, 2007 22:20:31 GMT
And Gascoyne is absolutely right.
If they are cooling the tanks, they can potentially get more fuel into a given space, if they are charge cooling, then a performance advantage is certain.
I'd be very surprised if anything comes of this though, it would probably take a protest from McLaren to tip the balance, and I can't see Ron or Lewis wanting to win the driver's championship in that way.
A big fine is the most likely outcome, possibly combined with some kind of grid demotion for a few races next year.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 21, 2007 22:26:00 GMT
But was not Michael Schumacher disqualified from a finished race once, because his Barge board was the wrong thickness? don't remember the year but i am sure he won the race and was later booted out, could have been Spa year?
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Post by donsking on Oct 21, 2007 22:31:36 GMT
But was not Michael Schumacher disqualified from a finished race once, because his Barge board was the wrong thickness? don't remember the year but i am sure he won the race and was later booted out, could have been Spa year? Results are always initially published as provisional, the various checking processes can take hours, but after all that's gone on this year, I would think it highly unlikely that the result will be tampered with on a technicality, F1 is already treading on thin ice in terms of credibility.
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