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Post by Deleted on Mar 9, 2008 23:18:18 GMT
It's been reported on Nicki's web site that the four finalists agreed to share the £60,000 prize prior to the final.......I'm not sure that should be allowed myself........what do others think? It sure has happened before kevin and you can bet it'll happen again!
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Post by Deleted on Mar 9, 2008 23:37:48 GMT
Some rather harsh comments there - one of the few problems I find with updates is that people judge a meeting based on a handful of texted words and from the gate is one of the worst. Actually Squirlie your right and I apologise. I should know better than to take anything PTW states as gospel. Glad you enjoyed the day in any case. A combination of the price, SS's constant drivel biggin up the meeting (people queing to get in at 10am for fucks sake!!!) and the fact that Moto GP started today put me off attending, but I'm looking forward to my first real fix tomorrow (hopefully).
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Post by Deleted on Mar 9, 2008 23:41:38 GMT
It's been reported on Nicki's web site that the four finalists agreed to share the £60,000 prize prior to the final.......I'm not sure that should be allowed myself........what do others think? It sure has happened before kevin and you can bet it'll happen again! As a nation Bryn, we've been involved in wars before and you can bet that'll happen again too.........doesn't make it right though, does it? I've read Schumi and Squirlies comments and I can see where they're coming from, to be honest, particularly as the meeting didn't have any real meaning .........but doesn't this tell you that the riders don't really like the winner takes all style of meeting?
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Post by Deleted on Mar 9, 2008 23:48:27 GMT
I should know better than to take anything PTW states as gospel. Too bloody right you should. A combination of the price, SS's constant drivel biggin up the meeting (people queing to get in at 10am for fucks sake!!!) I think you speak for hundreds of others there Wacks...........that bloke is actually damaging business at Poole Speedway, but the majority are starting to see through him and his inaccurate crap!!!
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Post by Deleted on Mar 10, 2008 10:36:00 GMT
Think with PTW he was trying to keep up, enjoy etc...he didn't actually say heats were boring and he did convey excitement in some of the heats.
It has been mentioned that heats were coming in quick succession....in that scenario, it is very difficult to put all the details down and also see the next heat!
Sometimes I think we should just stick to putting heat results with no mention of passing etc at all....but then we get moaned at for that too!
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Post by Deleted on Mar 10, 2008 11:15:36 GMT
Jonsson was the individual star of the meeting. I'm glad to see you're finally coming round to my way of thinking Genghis. It's been reported on Nicki's web site that the four finalists agreed to share the £60,000 prize prior to the final.......I'm not sure that should be allowed myself........what do others think? Why shouldn't it be allowed Kev? It's the winners prize money they should be able to do what they want with it. Did AJ share his winnings from Gelsenkirchen.. whoops nope thought not.. ;D
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Post by jimblanchard on Mar 10, 2008 11:17:21 GMT
It sure has happened before kevin and you can bet it'll happen again! As a nation Bryn, we've been involved in wars before and you can bet that'll happen again too.........doesn't make it right though, does it? I've read Schumi and Squirlies comments and I can see where they're coming from, to be honest, particularly as the meeting didn't have any real meaning .........but doesn't this tell you that the riders don't really like the winner takes all style of meeting? Sure it happened before Bryn and it will happen again. The 1936 World Final run off is I guess one of the famous examples, though that did not work out quite as it should have. Actually, I am in agreement with Kev, in that whilst it will happen again, does it make it right? Was this arrangement agreed pre or post race? If it was pre then it could be argued that the riders would not have necessary needed to 'go for it', as a monetary incentive. If as kev also says, being a meeting of no real meaning in the grand scheme of things so the prestige factor might not have meant a great deal to the riders either. I find that quite disappointing really. GP's they want to win for the prestige and world championship points, even though the money is not that great. Would not though Kev, a straight 5 rides and no 'grand final' eliminate this problem to some extent?
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Post by admin on Mar 10, 2008 12:12:14 GMT
Did AJ share his winnings from Gelsenkirchen.. whoops nope thought not.. ;D I suspect the riders would've faced the wrath of the golem Olsen if they'd come to an agreement over that. And Ole Olsen isn't someone you want to go around upsetting. If I were Matt Ford I'd be furious about this. Whatever you think of the guy, he put a lot of effort into this meeting, promoted it as a £60,000 winner take all prize in good faith and has been made to look like a fool.
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Post by jimblanchard on Mar 10, 2008 12:24:17 GMT
Why shouldn't it be allowed Kev? It's the winners prize money they should be able to do what they want with it. I do not have a problem at all with Nicki sharing out his winnings post race, as you quite rightly say Jacques- it his money he can do what he likes with it. But if it was agreed with the other 3 riders before the race that raises other issues. What if there was some big money laid on the out come of that race rather than the meeting? Could be some very unhappy punters about this morning. Also, has been suggested it was not really in the sporting spirit of the event and on the basis it was marketed either.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 10, 2008 12:31:43 GMT
I really can't see what the fuss is about. As Bryn said, it's happened before, in fact it was the norm in second halves years ago The four riders in the race were the only ones affected, the league title didn't depend on it, nor did the GP result. As for people betting on speedway races (as opposed to matches) they deserve all they get IMHO, but then I'm a cynic Maybe Nicki was a bit unwise to put the info on his website, but you can't really knock him for being honest can you
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Post by Deleted on Mar 10, 2008 12:40:34 GMT
Why shouldn't it be allowed Kev? It's the winners prize money they should be able to do what they want with it. I do not have a problem at all with Nicki sharing out his winnings post race, as you quite rightly say Jacques- it his money he can do what he likes with it. But if it was agreed with the other 3 riders before the race that raises other issues. What if there was some big money laid on the out come of that race rather than the meeting? Could be some very unhappy punters about this morning. Also, has been suggested it was not really in the sporting spirit of the event and on the basis it was marketed either. I suppose, if I'm honest,for i'ts the fact that Scott Nicholls got something out of it...I see that some people are saying they feel cheated because they paid their £25.00 for the winner takes all race... If i had gone to watch this meeting it would have been about so much more than that ,including seeing how the Coventry riders got on, so as you can see from the result, I'm glad I didn't go..
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Post by jimblanchard on Mar 10, 2008 12:43:01 GMT
Sorry, I disagree SL. What it seems is your suggesting it might well as well be a second half final, as it had little or significance to it so its comparable.
Fair enough. You could argue why any of the riders raced at all then if that was the case. Why not just 'divi' up without any racing at all?
Apart from the fact that that there were plenty of folk that paid some fair money to attend is a good reason. Not a gambler myself, but it sounds as if the paying public might have been.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 10, 2008 12:57:37 GMT
Can somebody that went to the meeting tell me what the score was with Chris Harris. Squirlie? Genghis?
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Post by Deleted on Mar 10, 2008 13:01:31 GMT
Sorry, I disagree SL. What it seems is your suggesting it might well as well be a second half final, as it had little or significance to it so its comparable. IMHO the meeting did have little significance. It had a large amount of money as the prize but in the scheme of things it was an individual meeting with no qualification aspect or relevance to any other meeting. As I said I'm a cynic when it comes to lots of things connected to speedway nowadays. Not a state of affairs I'm overly happy with but I refuse to look thro rose tinted glasses. Now if the authorities decide to take action against the four riders concerned, well maybe I might become less cynical What do you reckon the betting odds on the authorites taking action tho? It could be argued that if they don't they are condoning such behaviour
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Post by Deleted on Mar 10, 2008 13:04:31 GMT
Sorry, I disagree SL. What it seems is your suggesting it might well as well be a second half final, as it had little or significance to it so its comparable. IMHO the meeting did have little significance. It had a large amount of money as the prize but in the scheme of things it was an individual meeting with no qualification aspect or relevance to any other meeting. As I said I'm a cynic when it comes to lots of things connected to speedway nowadays. Not a state of affairs I'm overly happy with but I refuse to look thro rose tinted glasses. Now if the authorities decide to take action against the four riders concerned, well maybe I might become less cynical What do you reckon the betting odds on the authorites taking action tho? It could be argued that if they don't they are condoning such behaviour They would of course ,have to prove that the riders made the arrangement beforehand, I'd imagine they'd be tight lipped though...
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