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Post by Genghis on Mar 10, 2008 13:26:38 GMT
Can somebody that went to the meeting tell me what the score was with Chris Harris. Squirlie? Genghis? Jacques - he gated in Heat 1 and went from first to last, and just wasn't at the races after that. I wouldn't worry too much. Some riders just take a bit longer to blow off the winter cobwebs than others. And at least he didn't get caught up with the shennigans concerning the final.
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Post by Genghis on Mar 10, 2008 13:31:23 GMT
IMHO the meeting did have little significance. It had a large amount of money as the prize but in the scheme of things it was an individual meeting with no qualification aspect or relevance to any other meeting. As I said I'm a cynic when it comes to lots of things connected to speedway nowadays. Not a state of affairs I'm overly happy with but I refuse to look thro rose tinted glasses. Now if the authorities decide to take action against the four riders concerned, well maybe I might become less cynical What do you reckon the betting odds on the authorites taking action tho? It could be argued that if they don't they are condoning such behaviour They would of course ,have to prove that the riders made the arrangement beforehand, I'd imagine they'd be tight lipped though... Tight-lipped?? - hardly From Nicki's website: Nicki opens 2008 with splendid victory 09-03-2008 With a perfect seasonopener by winning Pooles Diamond Jubilee, Nicki showed that he is in perfect form for the 2008-season.
- Unless my first heat, I felt very good. There were some hard battles, but I think my very good starts meant the difference today, Nicki says.
Right before the final, where Nicki beat Andreas Jonsson, Scott Nicholls and Leigh Adams, the four racers decided to split the 60.000 GBP into four equal portions.
- I think it was the right decission to make. Now everybody are happy, Nicki says
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Post by Deleted on Mar 10, 2008 13:39:20 GMT
They would of course ,have to prove that the riders made the arrangement beforehand, I'd imagine they'd be tight lipped though... Tight-lipped?? - hardly From Nicki's website: Nicki opens 2008 with splendid victory 09-03-2008 With a perfect seasonopener by winning Pooles Diamond Jubilee, Nicki showed that he is in perfect form for the 2008-season.
- Unless my first heat, I felt very good. There were some hard battles, but I think my very good starts meant the difference today, Nicki says.
Right before the final, where Nicki beat Andreas Jonsson, Scott Nicholls and Leigh Adams, the four racers decided to split the 60.000 GBP into four equal portions.
- I think it was the right decission to make. Now everybody are happy, Nicki says whoops....There is nothing to suggest that action will be taken though, at the moment it's a handful of supporters..
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Post by jimblanchard on Mar 10, 2008 14:26:18 GMT
I guess all that it would need Jacques is one or more of the fans that paid money to attend that event to make official complaints to the governing body under whose auspices it was held under (would that be the ACU or the FIM?) and its not improbable that those riders could be questioned and action taken against them.
I appreciate its not horse racing but a similar offence in that sport could result in ban's and fines being imposed. I personally like Rob fail to see why speedway should be any different if its integrity is in question.
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Post by schumi on Mar 10, 2008 14:51:27 GMT
Well, being the sole defender of the faith, I can't help but think that the other three would have jumped at the chance, and that the only thing Nicki is guilty of is generosity. After all, it's only money - Nicki is the winner of the meeting, and will go down in the history books as such. Surely the prestige of winning the meeting is what they were all after, and the money was just a bonus?
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Post by Deleted on Mar 10, 2008 15:59:16 GMT
Personally I don't have a problem with it, but then I didn't spend a fortune on attending. Don't think it was very clever of Nicki to post the info on his website TBH , and it will be interesting to see if anything will be done should any of the disgruntled fans make an official complaint, is this a case of bringing the sport into disrepute I really don't know. Before the knowledge was made public, did any of the fans who attended notice if the 4 riders in question were just going through the motions or were they actually racing to win the final, this probably is the £60,000 question I feel
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Post by admin on Mar 10, 2008 16:01:14 GMT
I guess all that it would need Jacques is one or more of the fans that paid money to attend that event to make official complaints to the governing body under whose auspices it was held under (would that be the ACU or the FIM?) and its not improbable that those riders could be questioned and action taken against them. To take this scenario to its extreme, as we've seen with recent high profile events involving politicians, all it would take are a few complaints to the police and you potentially have a criminal investigation. I'd imagine that Ole Olsen will be having words ahead of the $200,000 race in Gelsenkirchen - "One sniff of a fiddle lads and I'll have your goolies turned to mince."
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Post by jimblanchard on Mar 10, 2008 16:08:48 GMT
Well, being the sole defender of the faith, I can't help but think that the other three would have jumped at the chance, and that the only thing Nicki is guilty of is generosity. After all, it's only money - Nicki is the winner of the meeting, and will go down in the history books as such. Surely the prestige of winning the meeting is what they were all after, and the money was just a bonus? Schumi, I have never been one to complain about any riders generally not doing as well as they might etc and just give them unwarranted abuse, as I have always thought that do compete in a very dangerous sport, which we all enjoy. But with all due respect to NP, he had responsibility to the paying public and the promoters of the meeting, he had no right to be generous in my opinion. I am kinda getting this impression that 'lads be sensible about this, its at the start of the season and none of wants to get hurt - so whoever gates wins the meeting and we split the pot'. Great. If this is endemic no wonder the sport fails to be accepted as a serious motor sport on the world stage. What is it all about? Some kind of exclusive riders private club or something?
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Post by Deleted on Mar 10, 2008 16:14:44 GMT
I'd have been disappointed having paid that kind of money for what was supposed to be a winner-takes-all final, only to read when I got home it was shared. It makes you wonder whether they tried as much in the final. Fair play to Nicki for being honest though. Who's to say a similar situation won't happen again? Isn't there something in the GPs where there's $200,000 up for grabs. It could all just be bullshit with the losing riders getting an agreed percentage before the race. Sky will whip the prize money up in to a frenzy (as usual).
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Post by schumi on Mar 10, 2008 16:16:49 GMT
Schumi, I have never been one to complain about any riders generally not doing as well as they might etc and just give them unwarranted abuse, as I have always thought that do compete in a very dangerous sport, which we all enjoy. But with all due respect to NP, he had responsibility to the paying public and the promoters of the meeting, he had no right to be generous in my opinion. I am kinda getting this impression that 'lads be sensible about this, its at the start of the season and none of wants to get hurt - so whoever gates wins the meeting and we split the pot'. Great. If this is endemic no wonder the sport fails to be accepted as a serious motor sport on the world stage. What is it all about? Some kind of exclusive riders private club or something? Nicki's responsibility was to put on a good show, and to try and win the meeting - and he did. The money is an aside, as far as I'm concerned, and I think the cries of match fixing on the BSF do far more harm to the sport than four men sharing the prize money. As I've posted on the BSF (sorry!) I've read comments saying Nicki was going to do a runner to foreign shores with the cash (or words to that effect) and suggesting that he shouldn't have had it because he no longer rides here (because of the points limit, just in case SteveBrum is looking in!) I'm not expressing an opinion on the rights and wrongs of what the riders decided, or whether it was wise to put it on the website, I'm just defending Nicki, because had it been another rider in the final, or had it been Adams or Jonsson who won, I don't think we'd be having this discussion. As I've said - the money side matters not one iota to me, but the comments I've seen about Nicki are unfair, and, as is my way, I will say something then.
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Post by admin on Mar 10, 2008 16:28:00 GMT
Isn't there something in the GPs where there's $200,000 up for grabs. It could all just be bullshit with the losing riders getting an agreed percentage before the race. Sky will whip the prize money up in to a frenzy (as usual). Not with Ole Olsen around - he'd grind their goolies to dust if he even suspected the riders were colluding to share the $200,000.
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Post by jimblanchard on Mar 10, 2008 16:29:27 GMT
Schumi, I have never been one to complain about any riders generally not doing as well as they might etc and just give them unwarranted abuse, as I have always thought that do compete in a very dangerous sport, which we all enjoy. But with all due respect to NP, he had responsibility to the paying public and the promoters of the meeting, he had no right to be generous in my opinion. I am kinda getting this impression that 'lads be sensible about this, its at the start of the season and none of wants to get hurt - so whoever gates wins the meeting and we split the pot'. Great. If this is endemic no wonder the sport fails to be accepted as a serious motor sport on the world stage. What is it all about? Some kind of exclusive riders private club or something? Nicki's responsibility was to put on a good show, and to try and win the meeting - and he did. The money is an aside, as far as I'm concerned, and I think the cries of match fixing on the BSF do far more harm to the sport than four men sharing the prize money. As I've posted on the BSF (sorry!) I've read comments saying Nicki was going to do a runner to foreign shores with the cash (or words to that effect) and suggesting that he shouldn't have had it because he no longer rides here (because of the points limit, just in case SteveBrum is looking in!) I'm not expressing an opinion on the rights and wrongs of what the riders decided, or whether it was wise to put it on the website, I'm just defending Nicki, because had it been another rider in the final, or had it been Adams or Jonsson who won, I don't think we'd be having this discussion. As I've said - the money side matters not one iota to me, but the comments I've seen about Nicki are unfair, and, as is my way, I will say something then. Well, Schumi firstly, you do not have to apologise to me about posting on another forum or anything in fact. Its a free country. Secondly, personally I am not picking on NP in particular as I admire him as a rider and having briefly met him I like him as a person, so as far as I am concerned I would be saying that about the other three riders and even now I think are not blameless either. So, I am in fact expressing and opinion on the rights and wrongs of what all four riders decided.
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Post by schumi on Mar 10, 2008 16:34:35 GMT
Secondly, personally I am not picking on NP in particular as I admire him as a rider No, I know you're not, Jim. My posts are solely for those who are. The rights and wrongs of the decision will no doubt be discussed for some time, but it's not something that I'll be losing any sleep over, personally.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 10, 2008 16:54:33 GMT
I'm thinking now that it was a good idea that Nicki actually open about sharing the prize money on his website....Can you imagine the fuss when it eventually leaked out .... calls for the four riders to be banned from the sport for good...blah blah blah A whole lot of fuss if you ask me...
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Post by Deleted on Mar 10, 2008 16:56:13 GMT
Well, being the sole defender of the faith, I can't help but think that the other three would have jumped at the chance, and that the only thing Nicki is guilty of is generosity. After all, it's only money - Nicki is the winner of the meeting, and will go down in the history books as such. Surely the prestige of winning the meeting is what they were all after, and the money was just a bonus? If the money don't matter why share it the first place ? as for the prestige of the meeting hardly likely to be put or nicki's gravestone .
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