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Post by schumi on May 18, 2009 8:11:50 GMT
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Post by admin on May 18, 2009 8:50:06 GMT
I'd imagine this news is a bit "premature" since it isn't on the Poole website, or - it seems - any other medium. Perhaps Poole haven't quite got a dot on every "i" or a cross on every "t" for this little plan. Could yet turn to dust - all redeclarations have to be okayed by the BSPA management committee.
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Post by Deleted on May 18, 2009 9:30:14 GMT
Yes, I'll believe it when it comes from the official channels to be honest.
What do I think of this if true? I don't think it was the first choice for starters. That involved signing at least 2 middle order riders, but spanners were thrown in works late in the day on both of those planned changes from what I'm led to believe. Hans' name was doing the rounds, but then Matt has approached virtually every rider not currently riding in the UK so I'd not take that he was the sole one in the mix - i know how he approaches his team building and it's what you might call fluid! I don't think he'd ideally have wanted to be so top heavy...
The morality of it all? I'm still not sure tbh. We have been awful and I know everyone has been screaming manipulation. But how much of our poor results have been down to it, and how much down to lack of form and riders just riding for form on tracks they never do well on (in DDs case all away tracks!)? I'm not so niaive as to not acknowledge that there may have been cases when riders could and should have done better here and there, especially as the magic 12 approached, but I've no more proof than any other fan so it'll always be speculative with perhaps a handful of cynicism thrown in from having heard some of the tricks that promoters around the country have pulled off over the years.
I'm not too worried what we do for the rest of the season or where we finish. I approach the sport as an entertainment these days rather than getting all het up over trophies and titles (that's what fiddling around with rules and stupid Its a Knockout innovations have done to it for me) , so on that score, a rider like Andersen will be good value.
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Post by admin on May 18, 2009 9:35:13 GMT
On the face of it, Andersen has an agreement with Poole. To me it is more of a question of whether Poole can get this to fly with the BSPA. I'd imagine Andersen would not come in at the expense of either the Dullard or Holder, so you're probably looking at waving goodbye to either Ales Dryml or Daniel Davidsson. And that looks very suspicious indeed. Maybe too suspicious for even the BSPA to let it go.
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Post by Deleted on May 18, 2009 9:47:00 GMT
I assume that it would be replace Ales who is on a temp contract anyway. I believe the original plan was for DD to drop to reserve and to bring into two middle order riders. That hasn't happened so we're onto Plan B...or Plan M - I don't know how many other combos would have been tried.
Also don't know how this leaves us at reserve, and whether we need to weaken there also. It was reported over the weekend that Stoney is likely to go, but no mention of Piszcz or Hurry. I don't profess to have any info on the moves in the last week or so, so unsure what is planned.
Yes, I'd agree that BSPA can veto this if it is true. Things might get very interesting if that happens...;
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Post by Deleted on May 18, 2009 10:17:48 GMT
On the face of it, Andersen has an agreement with Poole. To me it is more of a question of whether Poole can get this to fly with the BSPA. I'd imagine Andersen would not come in at the expense of either the Dullard or Holder, so you're probably looking at waving goodbye to either Ales Dryml or Daniel Davidsson. And that looks very suspicious indeed. Maybe too suspicious for even the BSPA to let it go. Please explain Subedei, is it not allowed to change the team during the transfer window?
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Post by schumi on May 18, 2009 10:53:18 GMT
Please explain Subedei, is it not allowed to change the team during the transfer window? The team can be changed at any time, but some people are of the opinion that Poole deliberately had their riders drop their averages so they could strengthen the team when the new figures were released. Assuming it is Dryml who is out, Poole would be replacing a 4 point rider with a 9 point rider. It's allowed within the rules, but, morally, if Poole have been deliberately manipulating the averages (and I'm not saying they have - there are enough people who have played judge, jury and executioner) it's questionable at best. Time will tell.
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Post by schumi on May 18, 2009 11:02:26 GMT
I hope maneacat doesn't mind me copying her post from the BSF over here, but I can't reply there. Not a dig at anyone in particular, but with all the shenanigans that are rumoured to be going on behind the scenes it's a wonder anyone bothers paying to see the sport any more.
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Post by Deleted on May 18, 2009 11:44:50 GMT
Please explain Subedei, is it not allowed to change the team during the transfer window? The team can be changed at any time, but some people are of the opinion that Poole deliberately had their riders drop their averages so they could strengthen the team when the new figures were released. Assuming it is Dryml who is out, Poole would be replacing a 4 point rider with a 9 point rider. It's allowed within the rules, but, morally, if Poole have been deliberately manipulating the averages (and I'm not saying they have - there are enough people who have played judge, jury and executioner) it's questionable at best. Time will tell. To me that seems impossible to prove, unless riders step up and testify that they have been ordered to drop their averages. Which they would have good cause to do if they are getting sacked as a consequence. But it's not gonna happen so the BSPA will have no case and should therefore refrain from saying anything.
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Post by Deleted on May 18, 2009 12:25:17 GMT
Not a dig at anyone in particular, but with all the shenanigans that are rumoured to be going on behind the scenes it's a wonder anyone bothers paying to see the sport any more. It's what has bugged me through this entire affair. Everyone gets very indignant at the thought that other teams are possibly being manipulative, whilst elsewhere in virtually the same breath they are condoning similar actions for their own teams should it benefit them. Are people so inconsistent in the rest of their lives?
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Post by Deleted on May 18, 2009 13:04:56 GMT
I hope maneacat doesn't mind me copying her post from the BSF over here, but I can't reply there. Not a dig at anyone in particular, but with all the shenanigans that are rumoured to be going on behind the scenes it's a wonder anyone bothers paying to see the sport any more. No I dont mind at all Schumi - I was simply having a laugh with a Swindon fan, but on a more serious note you can just imagine the flack that will be flying should Hans' average go down and not up he has not been in good form so far this season so that may happen and it could well benefit the Panthers in 2010 For the sake of the sport this whole situation needs the BSPA's urgent attention before we slide even further down that slippery slope to oblivion
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Post by Deleted on May 18, 2009 13:46:55 GMT
To think that BP's ave dipped as much as it did in the first 12 meetings, and that Screen aggrivated an injury which prevented him riding his 12th meeting which prevented his ave increasing this month (yet the injury didn't stop him riding in Germany last Saturday) is pure co-incidence is well, more naive than Lisa-Collette.
The thing that has pissed me off the most about Poole's team tactics is that it's been so bloody blatant - if you're going to cheat, at least try to do it subtlely!
Hopefully the BSPA will see that this whole situation has been engineered by the Poole team/promotion and grow a pair, blocking the signing of Andersen, but I won't be holding my breath.
Can anyone clarify this rule which keeps croping up about a rider obtaining a new ave based on a minimum of 8 league meetings? Is that just for assessed riders, is it for PL only, or does it include riders in all leagues who obtained a CMA last season?
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Post by Deleted on May 18, 2009 14:05:11 GMT
Can anyone clarify this rule which keeps croping up about a rider obtaining a new ave based on a minimum of 8 league meetings? Is that just for assessed riders, is it for PL only, or does it include riders in all leagues who obtained a CMA last season? I can clarify it for you. There is no such rule.
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Post by Deleted on May 18, 2009 14:18:21 GMT
So, we're back to the situation where it's likely that the Sea Pikeys will get away with their underhand tactics.
Swindon won't protest, it's well documented that they have a good working relationship with Poole, I doubt P'boro will protest seeing as they gave Poole permission to speak to Hans in the first place.
So we're left with the rest. Bobby D won't protest, he'll be too busy defending his track prep to notice. Ippo maybe will think "fuck it" following on from the Parsons saga, BV probably don't even know who Hans Andersen is, so that leaves CVS, Stanley & Sandhu, promoters of teams who at present look very likely for a play-off place. Can they do anything to object to this signing, do they care?
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Post by Deleted on May 18, 2009 14:27:01 GMT
Seems to me the obvious solution to this dilemma, is to withdraw the SR (if it has already been issued that is) which allows teams to re-build to 42.00 after 12 meetings. That way changes can be made on either a like for like basis, or under/up to the agreed starting average. but I won't hold my breath
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