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Post by Genghis on Mar 24, 2009 21:43:26 GMT
Schumi, "Name ten" wasn't a sensible question.  Of course it was. Name 10 sports that the average person can't take part in that have higher attendances than speedway and you'll have disproved my theory. 1. F1 2. Horse Racing 3. Moto GP 4. Indy Cars 5. Greyhound Racing 6. Superbikes 7. Three Day Event 8. A1 9. Stock Car Racing 10. TT Racing To do any of the above is very expensive, yet all are watched by huge crowds. Theory disproved.  |
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Post by Genghis on Mar 24, 2009 21:47:03 GMT
Are you seriously suggesting a newcomer would know that X rider was meant to be riding at a track 300 miles down the road? Or would even care? Schumi, look back at my posts again. Where have I talked about newcomers? I'm talking about all the people who stopped going and the reasons they stopped going. It's because of: (1) Increased admission prices (2) Getting pissed off by stupid rules, such as guests, the points limit and tactical rides. I know a lot of people who stopped going because of (2). |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 24, 2009 21:49:09 GMT
Of course it was. Name 10 sports that the average person can't take part in that have higher attendances than speedway and you'll have disproved my theory. 1. F1 2. Horse Racing 3. Moto GP 4. Indy Cars 5. Greyhound Racing 6. Superbikes 7. Three Day Event 8. A1 9. Stock Car Racing 10. TT Racing To do any of the above is very expensive, yet all are watched by huge crowds. Theory disproved. Greyhounds are not expensive to train, or to own and crowds are dwindling so badly that tracks are closing down at the same rate as speedway, so you can strike that one. Whats your point with Horse racing ? bearing in mind some tracks have free entry, and almost all have free entry for under 18's ? Oh and your F1 point is flawed as Britain only has one meeting a year. |
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Post by Genghis on Mar 24, 2009 21:53:22 GMT
1. F1 2. Horse Racing 3. Moto GP 4. Indy Cars 5. Greyhound Racing 6. Superbikes 7. Three Day Event 8. A1 9. Stock Car Racing 10. TT Racing To do any of the above is very expensive, yet all are watched by huge crowds. Theory disproved. Greyhounds are not expensive to train, or to own and crowds are dwindling so badly that tracks are closing down at the same rate as speedway, so you can strike that one. Whats your point with Horse racing ? bearing in mind some tracks have free entry, and almost all have free entry for under 18's ? Hatcham - Schumi's question was regarding participation. Humans cannot participate in a Greyhound race, and the sport still has more tracks than speedway. As for horses, I know a couple of people involved and it costs them a small fortune. |
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Post by Genghis on Mar 24, 2009 21:55:06 GMT
Oh and your F1 point is flawed as Britain only has one meeting a year. And where did Schumi restrict me to British events? Indy Cars don't take place in Britain at all. |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 24, 2009 21:55:57 GMT
Are you seriously suggesting a newcomer would know that X rider was meant to be riding at a track 300 miles down the road? Or would even care? Schumi, look back at my posts again. Where have I talked about newcomers? I'm talking about all the people who stopped going and the reasons they stopped going. It's because of: (1) Increased admission prices (2) Getting pissed off by stupid rules, such as guests, the points limit and tactical rides. I know a lot of people who stopped going because of (2). What utter bollocks, the people who hate the rules the most are the ones that love the sport the most, they dont just walk away, not in large numbers. As for entrance money, i appreciate the cost is too high for some, but as i have previously mentioned, look at football and the cost of admission there, when Erin was 2 it cost me £13 to get her a ticket to see the super lions wallop west ham, that was seven years ago,last week it cost me £6 to get her into Arlington |
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Post by admin on Mar 24, 2009 21:56:14 GMT
Holder or Pavlic on a derisory average. Well, Holder's was gained via his time at the Isle of Wight in the Premier League, so I don't have a problem with that one. But assessed averages are a bit of a joke. For example, early last November Emil Sajfutdinov would've been assessed at 4.00, but by the end of that month his average would've been assessed at 8.00. It's a bit of a nonsense, really. Another bit of supreme nonsense would actually have allowed Holder to return to the Premier League for this season on the average he left the Premier League in 2007, just as Doolan did for King's Lynn last year. |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 24, 2009 21:59:20 GMT
Greyhounds are not expensive to train, or to own and crowds are dwindling so badly that tracks are closing down at the same rate as speedway, so you can strike that one. Whats your point with Horse racing ? bearing in mind some tracks have free entry, and almost all have free entry for under 18's ? Hatcham - Schumi's question was regarding participation. Humans cannot participate in a Greyhound race, and the sport still has more tracks than speedway. As for horses, I know a couple of people involved and it costs them a small fortune. Not so long ago two of my mates staged a dog race for their own dogs a greyhound versus an old english sheepdog. |
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Post by Genghis on Mar 24, 2009 22:01:54 GMT
Hatcham - Schumi's question was regarding participation. Humans cannot participate in a Greyhound race, and the sport still has more tracks than speedway. As for horses, I know a couple of people involved and it costs them a small fortune. Yes, but we are talking about PARTICIPATION. It wasn't your mates in the race, it was the dogs. Not so long ago two of my mates staged a dog race for their own dogs a greyhound versus an old english sheepdog. |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 24, 2009 22:03:35 GMT
Oh and your F1 point is flawed as Britain only has one meeting a year. And where did Schumi restrict me to British events? Indy Cars don't take place in Britain at all. Dont be pedantic Genghis, we are talking about British crowds, and sports that take place here, you are once again trying to move the goalposts on an argument you know you have lost. |
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Post by admin on Mar 24, 2009 22:04:45 GMT
Yes, but we are talking about PARTICIPATION. It wasn't your mates in the race, it was the dogs. Not so long ago two of my mates staged a dog race for their own dogs a greyhound versus an old english sheepdog. Looks like genghis has been left speechless. |
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Post by schumi on Mar 24, 2009 22:06:29 GMT
1. F1 2. Horse Racing 3. Moto GP 4. Indy Cars 5. Greyhound Racing 6. Superbikes 7. Three Day Event 8. A1 9. Stock Car Racing 10. TT Racing To do any of the above is very expensive, yet all are watched by huge crowds. Theory disproved. And how many of those have league meetings? That's what we were talking about, after all. The only thing you can compare those with is the British GP at Cardiff, and I’m willing to bet speedway gets more attending and watching on tele than the majority of those. And horse racing and three day eventing are the same discipline. Try again. |
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Post by Genghis on Mar 24, 2009 22:07:47 GMT
And where did Schumi restrict me to British events? Indy Cars don't take place in Britain at all. Dont be pedantic Genghis, we are talking about British crowds, and sports that take place here, you are once again trying to move the goalposts on an argument you know you have lost. Well, in that case, Schumi's "Name Ten" was an unrealistic and unfair question. I have done exactly as asked, to prove that there are other sports that people can't easily participate, but are still watched by large audiences. That I have done. |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 24, 2009 22:17:57 GMT
I've also said on many occasions that the betting market is very important to speedway, if the layers see the potential for a decent market they will be interested in sponsorship, and with that will come increased publicity.
Not sure i know of anyone on here that advocates the use of guests, tacticals or jokers, but thats not the point Genghis, and you have still been unable to answer my initial point which again is: If guests are to be used, why discriminate over the reasons for the absence ?
Your idea of a guest being available if two heat leaders are absent is totally pointless, Poole for example got beaten at Seattle on sunday with Pedersen and Holder, so it would be fair to presume, that if they go there again with one missing the defeat would be even greater, if both were missing and they got one guest as cover, it would be pissing in the wind.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 24, 2009 22:22:03 GMT
Dont be pedantic Genghis, we are talking about British crowds, and sports that take place here, you are once again trying to move the goalposts on an argument you know you have lost. Well, in that case, Schumi's "Name Ten" was an unrealistic and unfair question. I have done exactly as asked, to prove that there are other sports that people can't easily participate, but are still watched by large audiences. That I have done. But you haven't, some daytime greyhound meetings are free to get in and attract crowds of less than 100. |
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