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Post by Deleted on Jul 19, 2009 17:45:31 GMT
Hatcham - a manager can only work with what he's got. Cieslak has the better riders in the world, he shold walk the World Cup, not scrape it by a single point. You're talking bollocks again. Cieslak has one genuine Superstar in Gollob and the rest are guys who have never made any great impact on the GPs. Credit should be given that when it comes to the SWC the Polish team always seem to ride above their collective abilities (today not being a very good example of that). Last year the Poles were the only team to challenge the mighty Danes. Cieslak played a very dangerous game today, but hell he won. Rico
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Post by Genghis on Jul 19, 2009 18:30:10 GMT
Hatcham - a manager can only work with what he's got. Cieslak has the better riders in the world, he shold walk the World Cup, not scrape it by a single point. You're talking bollocks again. Cieslak has one genuine Superstar in Gollob and the rest are guys who have never made any great impact on the GPs. Credit should be given that when it comes to the SWC the Polish team always seem to ride above their collective abilities (today not being a very good example of that). Last year the Poles were the only team to challenge the mighty Danes. Cieslak played a very dangerous game today, but hell he won. So Hampel (18 points today, yes, EIGHTEEN, the same as Emil) is not amongst the best riders in the world??? You're digging yourself into a hole, Rico.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 19, 2009 19:01:50 GMT
Hatcham - a manager can only work with what he's got. Cieslak has the better riders in the world, he shold walk the World Cup, not scrape it by a single point. You're talking bollocks again. Cieslak has one genuine Superstar in Gollob and the rest are guys who have never made any great impact on the GPs. Rico Well i dont agree really Poland is in league of their own when it comes to class riders especially of you take the league racing into account Poland: Kasprzak, Protasiewicz, Hampel, Gollob, Miedzinski, Jagus, Ulamek, Walsek. DK: Nicki, Hans, Bjerre Australia: Crump, Adams, Holder and possible Sullivan Sweden: AJ and possible Lindgren GB: Richardson
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Post by Genghis on Jul 19, 2009 19:10:48 GMT
You're talking bollocks again. Cieslak has one genuine Superstar in Gollob and the rest are guys who have never made any great impact on the GPs. Rico Well i dont agree really Poland is in league of their own when it comes to class riders especially of you take the league racing into account Poland: Kasprzak, Protasiewicz, Hampel, Gollob, Miedzinski, Jagus, Ulamek, Walsek. DK: Nicki, Hans, Bjerre Australia: Crump, Adams, Holder and possible Sullivan Sweden: AJ and possible Lindgren GB: Richardson Ghostwalker, thank you - someone talking sense at last. The Poles have far more World Class riders than any other nation, especially as they have also honourary Pole Rune Holta in their ranks. The Poles were the odds-on favourites today, so (unlike Rico) I don't see a one-point win as "riding above their collective abilities", especially when the Aussies outscored them in actual points scored on the racetrack.
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Post by admin on Jul 19, 2009 19:12:45 GMT
I can see where Rico is coming from. The Poles only have one outstanding rider, but they make up for it with fabulous strength in depth. The Poles probably have a cadre of around 10-12 riders they could pick their team from. That's not the case with other teams. The Danes struggled this season because they lack the strength in depth and with Iversen, Andersen and the Dullard struggling they couldn't even make the final. Sweden, like the Poles, only have one outstanding rider (Jonsson), but they lack strength in depth, possibly due to their league being over-run by Poles.
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Post by Genghis on Jul 19, 2009 19:20:28 GMT
I can see where Rico is coming from. The Poles only have one outstanding rider, but they make up for it with fabulous strength in depth. The Poles probably have a cadre of around 10-12 riders they could pick their team from. That's not the case with other teams. The Danes struggled this season because they lack the strength in depth and with Iversen, Andersen and the Dullard struggling they couldn't even make the final. Sweden, like the Poles, only have one outstanding rider (Jonsson), but they lack strength in depth, possibly due to their league being over-run by Poles. So who is this "one outstanding rider" of the Poles - Gollob (6 points today) or Hampel (18 points today)? Hampel is one of the very best riders in the world - he's amongst the best seven riders in the world alongside Crumpie, Emil, Nicki P, Greg, AJ and Gollob. You and Rico are so blinded when it comes to Gollob & the Poles. You think everything they do is terrific. Today they won the meeting BUT it was hardly glorious. Instead speedway was again held up to ridicule as the best team (i.e. the one who scored the most actual points on the racetrack) came second. You and Rico with the bloody Poles are nearly as bad as me with Oxford.
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Post by admin on Jul 19, 2009 19:27:55 GMT
Well, I'd say that Gollob's 14 GP wins far outweighs Hampel's efforts in the "outstanding rider" stakes, don't you?
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Post by Deleted on Jul 19, 2009 19:34:39 GMT
What a fantastic series of SWC meetings. Didn't care who ended up winning in the end today, but what a way to finish the meeting, Gollob zero to hero in a minute again. Have we really got to wait another year for this comp to come around again
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Post by Genghis on Jul 19, 2009 19:35:59 GMT
Well, I'd say that Gollob's 14 GP wins far outweighs Hampel's efforts in the "outstanding rider" stakes, don't you? Gollob will go down in history as the better rider of the two. But on current form, I think Hampel is the better rider of the two - I think he's finally on the verge of taking over as Polish No. 1. To say the Poles only have one outstanding rider is an insult to Hampel - who scored 32 out of 36 points in the World Cup.
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Post by admin on Jul 19, 2009 19:50:41 GMT
But it was Gollob who brought home the Ove Fundin, while Hampel was passed by Lindback when he was going for double points.
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Post by Genghis on Jul 19, 2009 19:57:58 GMT
But it was Gollob who brought home the Ove Fundin, while Hampel was passed by Lindback when he was going for double points. But it was Hampel was caused the biggest shift in points, winning Heat 24 in a race where the Aussie came last. Anyway, this argument is getting completely pointless, since I was saying Gollob wasn't one of the World's best - I was saying Hampel is ALSO one of the World's best. The Poles have two out of the best 7 riders in the World - more than the Aussies, Russians, Swedes, Danes and Yanks who all have one (I don't include Adams or Andersen in my elite 7, since they are both experiencing a poor 2009). The Poles SHOULD have won today without depending on the horrible bloody Joker. I hate the bloody thing, it nearly gives me turettes.
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Post by admin on Jul 19, 2009 20:10:11 GMT
But it was Hampel was caused the biggest shift in points, winning Heat 24 in a race where the Aussie came last. The big shift in points was largely due to Laguta riding the Australian out of that particular race, while Hampel rode off into the distance.
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Post by Genghis on Jul 19, 2009 20:19:16 GMT
But it was Hampel was caused the biggest shift in points, winning Heat 24 in a race where the Aussie came last. The big shift in points was largely due to Laguta riding the Australian out of that particular race, while Hampel rode off into the distance. Oh for goodness sake, you'd argue black is bloody white. ;)So Hampel's 18 points weren't crucial today? Look my point is that the Poles should be good enough to win the World Cup in their own backyard without depending on the dreadful, despicable, horrible, shameful joker.
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Post by admin on Jul 19, 2009 20:40:54 GMT
Of course they were crucial. But, in the end, so were Protasiewicz's 3 points (or whatever he scored) and so were Kasprzak's and so were Miedzinski's. Apart from a couple of second places in GPs, what has Hampel really achieved?
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Post by Genghis on Jul 19, 2009 20:53:04 GMT
Of course they were crucial. But, in the end, so were Protasiewicz's 3 points (or whatever he scored) and so were Kasprzak's and so were Miedzinski's. Apart from a couple of second places in GPs, what has Hampel really achieved? Oh belt up. Look, just answer a simple question: were you 100% happy to see the World Cup won by the team scoring the second highest of actual points on the racetrack?
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