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Post by Deleted on Dec 30, 2008 0:55:15 GMT
Remember that well henryw, Havelock was well out of that race and you're right, bizarely can thank the crash for his World title. But for the crash & the following delay whilst the rain stopped & they got the fire brigade in to pump the water off the track allowing him to recover, Per Jonsson would have almost certainly lifted his 2nd World Title in 3 years.
Was on a tour with a load of Northerners, who were understandably over the moon with the final result and whilst we were pleased for Havvy we were gutted that Per missed out.
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Post by admin on Dec 30, 2008 1:01:57 GMT
It all depends, doesn't it?
Even had Havelock missed the re-run of Ht 8 his world title dreams would not necessarily have been over, it depends on whether he'd have been fit enough to take his place in his next programmed outing, which was Ht 11. Had Havelock merely missed the re-run of Ht 8, but everything else had remained the same, his twelve points would've been enough to lift the crown as Jonsson finished on eleven points.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 30, 2008 1:34:10 GMT
There was a long delay Sub, I honestly don't believe Havvy would have taken his 2nd or 3rd rides had the meeting not been held up by the tropical like downpour.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 30, 2008 1:42:48 GMT
I had actually forgotten just how far behind the rest of the field were that day, so you could be right Sub.
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Post by Genghis on Dec 30, 2008 11:54:36 GMT
Havelock was somewhat fortunate a similar fate didn't befall him in 1992 when Nilsen and Tesar clashed: And even luckier that the rains came down to delay the meeting while he received medical treatment. If that race had been re-run immediately, Havvy wouldn't have been taking part in it. And then Gert Handberg would have probably ended up as World Champion. Havelock is probably the worst-ever rider to have become World Champion, but Handberg would have been even worse. |
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Post by Genghis on Dec 30, 2008 12:02:12 GMT
Regarding the controversial incidents:
1973 - The race should have been re-run and Plech was unlucky not to be in the run-off for first place. Szczakiel was a worthy winner, though - he battled from fourth to second in his fourth ride as receiving a hefty shove from the Russian, and then escaped Olsen's attempts to blantantly fence him in his fifth ride. And then he outgated the ulimate trapper, Ivan Mauger, in the run-off for first place.
1982 - ref's decision was right, Penhall didn't touch Carter at the point where Carter fell. It was a World Final - so expect tough riding.
1986 - ref's decision was right, contact came after Knudsen tried to lean back on Nielsen. Again it was a World Final - so expect tough riding. Had the boot been on the other foot, Knudsen (a dirty little bastard) would have definitely done the same to Nielsen.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 30, 2008 13:37:26 GMT
There was a long delay Sub, I honestly don't believe Havvy would have taken his 2nd or 3rd rides had the meeting not been held up by the tropical like downpour. Tropical?  More like Arctic.....I remember it well, it was a baking hot day and this solitary cloud came over the stadium and must literally have burst......the rain was the coldest I've ever known. And what an outstanding achievement by the organisers and track staff that day in getting the meeting finished, as I doubt many other tracks could have survived that deluge.....hats off to them!! |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 30, 2008 13:38:42 GMT
Havelock is probably the worst-ever rider to have become World Champion You've forgotten Jerzy Sczakiel then Genghis?  |
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Post by Genghis on Dec 30, 2008 16:02:19 GMT
Havelock is probably the worst-ever rider to have become World Champion You've forgotten Jerzy Sczakiel then Genghis? No, courtesy of the 1971 World Pairs Championship, Szczakiel is a better rider than Havelock. |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 30, 2008 18:53:40 GMT
No, courtesy of the 1971 World Pairs Championship, Szczakiel is a better rider than Havelock. If that's your criteria, then it's actually courtesy of Andrzej Wyglenda that Jerzy is better than Gary... Wyglenda matched his partners scoring when they won, while that twat Tatum let Gary down when they should have won it |
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Post by admin on Dec 30, 2008 19:05:24 GMT
A statement that surely no one, not even a potato brain, could argue with? |
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Post by Genghis on Dec 30, 2008 20:21:12 GMT
No, courtesy of the 1971 World Pairs Championship, Szczakiel is a better rider than Havelock. If that's your criteria, then it's actually courtesy of Andrzej Wyglenda that Jerzy is better than Gary... Wyglenda matched his partners scoring when they won, while that twat Tatum let Gary down when they should have won it I believe Szczakiel scored a paid maximum in the 1971 World Pairs Final, whereas Havelock dropped a point in the heats and was then defeated in the run-off for first place. Had he matched Szczakiel's performance in the 1971 final, he would have been a double World Champion - just as Szczakiel was. I rate riders by the total number of World Championships won so: Szczakiel 2 Havelock 1 |
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Post by admin on Dec 30, 2008 20:31:33 GMT
I rate riders by the total number of World Championships won so: Szczakiel 2 Havelock 1 That's not a very good system, to be honest. I rate Jerzy Szczakiel, but few Poles would rate him the greatest rider their nation has produced just because he can boast a couple of FIM golds. I rate Egon Muller as well. But I also rate Gary Havelock. The guy is one of the few to translate a Junior crown into a senior one. He'd probably have done even better if it wasn't for all those bans he got during his teenage years. |
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Post by Genghis on Dec 30, 2008 21:40:45 GMT
I rate riders by the total number of World Championships won so: Szczakiel 2 Havelock 1 That's not a very good system, to be honest. I rate Jerzy Szczakiel, but few Poles would rate him the greatest rider their nation has produced just because he can boast a couple of FIM golds. I rate Egon Muller as well. But I also rate Gary Havelock. The guy is one of the few to translate a Junior crown into a senior one. He'd probably have done even better if it wasn't for all those bans he got during his teenage years. Sub - don't get me wrong, Havelock was a classy rider, as is EVERY rider to have won the World Final. But out of the riders to have won the World title, he's the least accomplished. Both Szczakiel (twice World Champion) & Muller (four times World Champion) achieved more than he did. Havelock only won one World title (his U21 win coming at a time before the championship had world status). |
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Post by admin on Dec 30, 2008 21:49:23 GMT
But out of the riders to have won the World title, he's the least accomplished. Both Szczakiel (twice World Champion) & Muller (four times World Champion) achieved more than he did. You're getting a bit desperate when you have to include Long Track championships. No doubt you'll be bringing cheesy nightclub crooning up next. Muller was a huge talent, but his indifference towards the discipline of proper speedway means it is hard to guage his true worth. He won his world title after a year of concentrating solely on that goal and with a seemingly jet-propelled GM engine. Mind you, Anders Michanek's sole world title also came after a year of concentrating solely on that goal. |
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