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Post by Deleted on Jul 31, 2007 19:42:10 GMT
The thing is similar things went through my mind at the time.And i did post some things on here about my thoughts.Coincidentally about the fuel Stekkers is a pretty passionate manger(ok we all know Middlo is the most passionate guy in the world when it comes to being national team manager)but would he come out with all this just because his team lost?I guess he must feel he has good reason to question the Polish teams preformance.And as he says,he has been there and seen what goes on in the sport.It would be too easy to dismiss his comments as sour grapes.The sport is bent to some degree.We have all surely read comments from ex-riders on this subject.And if there are big bucks involved who knows what can be bought?I'm sure we will be hearing more on this subject.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 31, 2007 19:46:05 GMT
Dmu(danish motor union) has had a little chat with stekkers and he is now withdrawing some of his comments ,specially the one were he accused a FIM guy of being drunk,he said it was a feeling several people had on the day/night,but of course it cannot be proved so he said it should never have been said in the first place... Dmu also said there is no prove that poland cheated,and that's it really.... Roll on the next swc.. ;D
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Post by admin on Jul 31, 2007 19:50:31 GMT
But most people know that on any given night, with the wind in his sails and the track in good condition that Tomasz Gollob can blow the best away. The heat times are much of a muchness, for example, Bjerre won Ht 18 in a time of 62.22, while Kasprzak won Ht 19 in a time of 62.37 and BP won Ht 24 in a time of 63.69, while it took Gollob 63.97 seconds to scoot around in Ht 25.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 31, 2007 20:02:43 GMT
Well that is the thing that made me think Sub.But then i am only a fan,Stekkers is an ex-rider and not that far back.So he has better knowledge on these things than me.The thing that made me doubt anything dodgy went on was that the track record wasn't broken as far as i know.And eventually the Danes did seem to be on the pace with the Poles.But Leigh Adams said the track was not like the one he knew from his many years of experience.Ok,so is it possible to make a slow track so that oversized or fuel tampered bikes will outpace legit bikes but still not be so fast as to raise obvious suspicions?I don't know,i'll be honest.Just the way the Polish riders performance in the Final changed from Vojens and the Leszno race-off raised suspicion.We wil probably have to wait till Stekkers biography for his side now as the powers that be muzzle him.One thing is for sure you won't get the full story in the Speedway Star
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Post by admin on Jul 31, 2007 20:27:03 GMT
And Chris Louis was in the pits, while Sam Ermolenko and Kelvin Tatum were trackside. None of them raised any doubts about the Polish bikes. I don't remember anyone questioning the Poles machinery after their crushing victory at Wroclaw in 2005. Just an offhand comment from Mark Loram to the effect that the 100,000 zloty kitty the PZM had put up if they won probably wouldn't cover the costs of the engines and tuning that the Poles had put into the SWC. My own personal view is that the Poles went away from the race-off and spent long hours in the workshop (Kasprzak inimated that he wasn't happy with his race-off engine and that his father Zenon had been working on the engine for the final) getting their kit into condition for the final. Furthermore, of course, the Poles drew blue and that gives very advantageous gates early on. And if there was anything underhand going on, wouldn't Grzegorz Walasek have been invited to the party?
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Post by admin on Aug 1, 2007 11:01:43 GMT
Ok,so is it possible to make a slow track so that oversized or fuel tampered bikes will outpace legit bikes but still not be so fast as to raise obvious suspicions? An interesting question, for which I don't know the answer. However, since the Poles were complaining about the track conditions, it doesn't seem likely that the Poles had much to do with that. Kasprzak said the track was too slick for the Poles in an interview with Chris Louis and Hans Andersen actually backed Kasprzak up in a later interview, where he said the Poles preferred a track with more dirt on it. Andersen stated that the Danes didn't necessarily prefer a slick track, just that they'd ride anything. And as you say and the race times back up, the Poles weren't exactly blowing the track record away, or winning races in times faster than the Danes and Australians. And Tomasz Gollob did trail home last in one of his races, unable to make an impression on even the British guy (Lee Richardson?). The only nation that really didn't seem at all "on the pace" were the British. And Middlo wasn't casting doubt upon the machinery used by others, just bemoaning the fact that "his boys" just didn't have the machinery to compete. That would've been credit to Middlo, if it wasn't an excuse, but it was an excuse. He should be demanding that "his boys" are professional enough to come to an event such as the SWC with bikes that can compete. Staechmann also seems to draw a negative comparison between Gollob at Leszno and Gollob at Prague. But surely if their were a magic solution, Gollob would be using it in the GPs and not just the SWC. I think the difference between the Gollob performances were not in the bike, but in the head. Gollob wasn't interested as soon as he saw what the track in Prague was going to be like. He just doesn't seem to have the "knuckle down" approach.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 1, 2007 11:14:15 GMT
Quick reply as i am off to Denmark to see young zabik ;D I guess the thing he is hinting at is that Gollob,etc can get away with underhand practice in Poland but wouldn't risk it in Prague,Cardiff,Mallila.That is just my guess at what he is saying.But like you say the track at Prague,plus the fact i don't think Gollob believes he can win the World Individual Title any more played a big part in the difference in performance
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Post by admin on Aug 1, 2007 11:28:40 GMT
I guess the thing he is hinting at is that Gollob,etc can get away with underhand practice in Poland but wouldn't risk it in Prague,Cardiff,Mallila. Wroclaw is in Poland and Gollob only scored 3 points in the GP there earlier in the year. So far this season, Gollob's best GP performances have been in Lonigo, Eskilstuna and Copenhagen, where the tracks all appeared to be uniform.
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Post by schumi on Aug 2, 2007 15:41:00 GMT
DMU press release:
Regarding the (Danish newspaper) Jyllands-Posten article published today (31 July) by journalist Dan Phillipsen: “Danish Coach claims World Cup winners have cheated”, Danmarks Motor Union wish to announce the following:
Danmarks Motor Union are not of the opinion that there are grounds for alleging the Polish team won the Speedway World Cup by cheating. All procedures in connection with the protest of the Polish bikes were followed, and Danmarks Motor Union have no objections in connection with the result of the technical investigations.
Likewise there are no grounds to allege that a Polish technical controller (delegate) has been impartial in connection with the inspection of the Polish bikes, nor that an FIM delegate had allegedly been inebriated during the inspection of the bikes. Finally, Danmarks Motor Union are not of the opinion that political interests allegedly had any influence on the outcome of the Speedway World Cup in Leszno, Poland, 21st July 2007.
Danmarks Motor Union clearly take distance from the comments made by Team Manager Jan Stæchmann in the way in which they have been reported in the Jyllands-Posten article. There has been no reason to suggest such misinterpretations as have been reported, in connection with the events that led to the Polish World Cup victory. The DMU have made this very clear to Jan Stæchmann. -------------------------------------------- National Speedway Coach Jan Stæchmann wishes to add comment to the aforementioned article as follows:
“In yesterdays JP article by Dan Phillipsen my comments stand more categorical than I ever meant for them to be”
“At the World Cup final in Leszno we had suspicions that two of the bikes the Poles were using were not as per regulations. As is mentioned in the article, I lodged a protest at the end of the meeting. During the checking of the bikes, which was carried out according to the regulations by a Polish examiner, as well as being witnessed by a British FIM delegate, nothing criticisable was found, and this does not come across clearly in the article. In other words there are no suggestions of an aftermath – which is naturally why I (wish to) regret the controversy that can result based on the article”
“My comment that a FIM delegate was inebriated is based on an impression shared by several on the day. This is obviously a claim which cannot possible be proven, and therefore should never have been uttered”
“At the same time I would like to reiterate that my comments that this was “politically” a good victory have been taken out of context. I want to reiterate that my comments are not to be interpreted in any other way than this year’s victory for Poland is good for international speedway. Poland is one of the absolute biggest speedway nations, and the victory is therefore important so that Polish Speedway can continue the fair wind the sport has been enjoying for several years”.
“Finally I would like to mention that the speedway season presently is at a hectic time, where the Danish riders are amongst the very best in the world. Constant high stakes and the adrenalin is flowing. Everyone involved with the World Cup in Leszno have their private or collective opinions of the events which were brought to light in the article. But fact is that the result is final and yours truly acknowledges a fine Polish evening on their hometrack”.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 20, 2007 12:47:32 GMT
I watched this to Heat 10 on Saturday night. Hopefully finish it off tonight.
Great track so far! And Gollob in Heat 9!!
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Post by admin on Aug 20, 2007 13:00:55 GMT
I watched this to Heat 10 on Saturday night. Hopefully finish it off tonight. Great track so far! And Gollob in Heat 9!! Just wait until you see Gollob dismiss Nicki P in his next outing and the highlight of the meeting as Balinski terrorises Adams for four laps, which calls to mind Gollob's bombardment of Nilsen in that splendid GP final. Then, of course, a splendid ride from Kasprzak in Ht 23.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 18, 2008 19:07:24 GMT
Just a quick question, Did anybody see Bomber's comments in the speedway star regarding our dismal showing last year, he basically refuted all claims about nto riding the tracks machinery not up to scratch etc, he says they went there thinking Poland had it in the bag and were not mentally prepared.
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Post by schumi on Feb 18, 2008 19:45:35 GMT
I didn't see that, but judging from this article he's got that ambition Middlo keeps talking about. From www.speedwayworld.tv. BRITISH Champion Chris Harris knows exactly what to expect as he goes into his second season as a Grand Prix regular. And after just missing out on a top eight finish last year, Harris - who won the British GP in spectacular style at Cardiff - believes he has learned lessons from his first campaign, which saw him drop to ninth in the very last round when he was involved in a clash with GB colleague Scott Nicholls in a run-off. Despite that, there was no surprise when Harris was nominated to take his place in the series again this year, and he is hoping that another winter of hard work and preparation can pay dividends. Harris said: "Last season went better than expected, but it was good that all the effort we put in during the winter paid off. We have to up our game again this year and hopefully we can repeat it, or better it. "I've been training real hard in the winter, I'm confident, the boys are ready and we're just waiting for those tapes to go up. "After the win in Cardiff I think I put more pressure on myself and lost focus a little bit, but I feel I've learnt from that now and I'm hungrier this year than I was last. "I'm taking over as No.1 at Coventry, I want to be No.1 in England and hopefully one day No.1 in the world. That's the ultimate goal, that's what I'm here to do." Harris will once again have backing from top-rated engine tuner Brian Andersen, and amongst his pit crew he will be able to call upon Norrie Allan, who was in Mark Loram's corner for his World Championship success in 2000.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 18, 2008 21:06:53 GMT
indeed, he has head screwed on, in the interview with the Star he also said that while Coventry was his first choice, he wanted to be a number one at a team so i dare say he would moved on, However had we kept Nicholls I dare say he would have had to go. But it shows he is keen to push himself and he is starting to reap the benfuts from it.
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