Brazil - Showdown.

[Deleted]

Why bother checking the fuel if you can't trust the results in the first place.

Stop press breaking news from F1.COM- Lewis Hamilton new World champion after beating Kimi Raikonen at PAPER ROCK SCISSORS,

Hamilton said it wasn't the way he wanted to win it, but what the Fuck, who cares.

[jimblanchard]

Newsflash......................

Its just coming in and hot on the wires: After several hours of deliberation between Max Mosley and Bernie Ecclestone and the FIA a decision has been made about the debacle at the weekends GP.

They have decided to replace the dummy for genghis and have brought in new rules that will not allow the continuation of the series unless he signs a contract to continue to watch.

Mosley stated: "We have looked at all the facts and video tapes and have come to the decision that unless genghis is with us 100% on this we are not going to continue".

Lewis Hamilton said that he was 'over the moon' that this has been resolved and also stated he would be prepared to continue supplying genghis with dummies himself if needed.

Alonso has reputed to say that he does not give a f*ck either way but did manage to say 'all the best'.... ;D

[Genghis]

Jim - as Alonso has thrown every possible dummy out of his pram during season, I'll just have one of those ;D ;D

[donsking]

schumi said:

I'm just not sure how they're going to get themselves out of this one. Either BMW and Williams are allowed to get away with it, proving yet another inconsistency, or they are disqualified and the world championship is decided off the track after the event. Either way it's a farce. Why don't they test cars BEFORE the race and disqualify any that don't meet the rules there and then?

But they do test the cars before the race, and during and after it. They also test the cars before, during and after practice and qualifying, but so high is the amount of money at stake that teams will try any wrinkle they can to gain an advantage.

I'm sure you've heard the radio transmissions telling the drivers to run over the marbles, or take it easy on the slow down lap so they've got enough fluids in the car that it makes the weight?

But none of this is new; in 1976 James Hunt was excluded after winning a race because his car was too wide. I can't remember by how much, but it was essentially due the bulge in the tyre sidewalls, if there had been a couple of more psi in the tyres, nothing would've happened.

So nothing much has changed in 30 odd years, it's still Mclaren and Ferrari having a pop at each other, although, in a reversal of today's practices, McLaren appealed and the decision was overturned ;D

As I said, what seems like a lifetime ago, nothing has come of 'fuelgate', and that was always going to be the outcome.

No point in getting too excited about it though, F1 is one of the most bent sports there is, and pretty much always has been, so this year is not very different to any other year anyone has watched.

[schumi]

Here's a way for it to regain some credibility:

Article 168 of the International Sporting Code makes it clear that it is at the stewards' discretion whether or not cars are moved up the order in the event of other cars being excluded.

It states: "The stewards of the meeting shall declare the resulting amendment in the placings and awards, and they shall decide whether the next competitor should be moved up in the classification."

So exclude the Williams and BMWs but don't move the lower positioned drivers up. Farce avoided.

[donsking]

schumi said:

Here's a way for it to regain some credibility:

Article 168 of the International Sporting Code makes it clear that it is at the stewards' discretion whether or not cars are moved up the order in the event of other cars being excluded.

It states: "The stewards of the meeting shall declare the resulting amendment in the placings and awards, and they shall decide whether the next competitor should be moved up in the classification."

So exclude the Williams and BMWs but don't move the lower positioned drivers up. Farce avoided.

It's bollocks isn't it, as some have already said, F1 is no better organised than speedway really, it's just a bit more glossy.

See, if the stewards had really screwed their loaf, they would've deducted the constructors points from the offending teams; no effect on the championship, but they would've been seen to be doing something.

[admin]

Except the stewards have made their non-decision and it is out of their hands now.
But, I don't expect anything to happen - after all, no benefit to Ferrari in changing things, so things won't change. Ferrari call the shots in F1 these days.

[donsking]

I'm actually quite interested to see what happens next year now; will Hamilton's career blow up, or will he fuck everyone real good?

It could be a better season than this year.

[admin]

Who really cares?
More of the same - anyone daring to challenge Ferrari will be cut down by Mr Toad's minnions Ecclestone and Mosley.

[donsking]

If the rumours are true, Toad's on the way out.

Mind you, F1 will still be up against the not inconsiderable clout of the Agnelli dynasty, so that might not matter.

[schumi]

And isn't Jackie Stewart calling for Mosley's resignation after Max called him a "certified halfwit"?

A snippet from an interview with Max from the official F1 website:

Q: Is Ferrari more important for Formula One than other teams?
MM: Yes, firstly, because it holds a historically important position, as the team has been involved in Formula One since 1950. The second point has something to do with existential orientation: imagine that there were only one British team and all other teams were Italian, that the commercial rights holder was Italian, as was the FIA President, the race director and his assistant and the sport’s commissioner. Wouldn’t it be understandable that this team would be very careful? I therefore use my neutrality with a huge amount of responsibility and stay in close contact with Ferrari to assure them that no British ‘mafia’ or cartel tries to take advantage of them. But should we find it necessary to impose our technical or sporting regulations, than Ferrari is treated like any other team. Should we find irregularities on a Ferrari - like the moveable floor after the Australian Grand Prix - it is removed and banned.

[donsking]

"existential orientation"?

You can tell he's a marketing man!

I must admit to some degree of sympathy with Mosley; he and Bernie were contemporaries on the track, while Max, Bernie and Ron were all struggling team owners at one point (Mosley is the 'M' in March Engineering), so it must be a bit difficult for him to now be trying to tell the other two what to do, while Bernie could buy and sell him before breakfast and Ron could pull the plug and leave F1 in turmoil.

So what I'm really saying is, Max is in an untenable position, and should fuck off post haste!

Although I seem to remember F1 was much worse off when a certain J-M Balestre was in charge.

[Genghis]

schumi said:

Here's a way for it to regain some credibility:

Article 168 of the International Sporting Code makes it clear that it is at the stewards' discretion whether or not cars are moved up the order in the event of other cars being excluded.

It states: "The stewards of the meeting shall declare the resulting amendment in the placings and awards, and they shall decide whether the next competitor should be moved up in the classification."

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So exclude the Williams and BMWs but don't move the lower positioned drivers up. Farce avoided.

Schumi,

Yes, but again there's no precdent for doing that. As you may recall, during the 2006 championship battle, both Alonso and Schumacher were non-finishers in Hungary. However, there were only eight finishers, so Schumacher was classified ninth, anf when one of the cars were disqualified, he was promoted to eighth and picked up what could have been a priceless World Championship point.

THAT is what happens when cars are found to be illegal. They are disqualified, and the other cars behind them promoted. To do anything else, is showing yet more bias towards FIArrari

[Genghis]

donsking said:

I must admit to some degree of sympathy with Mosley

I don't - he 's a complete wanker. How he wasn't forced to resign after the farce that was the 2005 USA GP is a mystery to me.

If the appropriate action is not taken against the BMW and Williams drivers, Big Ron should tell Mosley to go and stuff it - and make plans to form an alternative, more credible series - preferably not featuring the Red Bastards or Ecclescake either.

[donsking]

I think you're being a bit naive here genghis; you're assuming that big business is actually sport, when the reallity is, it's about nothing but money in the end.

Here's one for the conspiracy theorists................

The accepted wisdom is that Hamilton was on a retainer of £250,000 this year, which would rise to the same as his team mate in 2008 if he won the WC; Alonso was reportedly on 20M this year, so it was worth 19.75M for McLaren to throw the title and switch off Hamilton's gearbox for a while during the deciding last race.

And if you think that's a bit far fetched, just think about this; assuming Hamilton won the title and Alonso stays at McLaren next year, a driver budget of 40M would be totally unprecedented.

Or maybe, in the exchange of information between McLaren and Ferrari, perhaps the red devils switched Hamilton's gearbox off?

Whatever, F1 is not a straight race to the finish, and it hasn't been for a very long time, if anyone thinks it is, then, in the style of our ancient leader, they are deluded; beyond belief, if the truth be known.