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Post by Deleted on Sept 7, 2007 20:34:02 GMT
Lupus it's the (c) bit that has angered many people about the McCanns . It's a tragic tale of selfishness and carelessness on their part .
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Post by Deleted on Sept 7, 2007 21:49:27 GMT
I can't understand the mindset of anyone who would leave their kids in the way that they did but if one of my kids had disappeared I would not let the others out of my sight for ANYTHING!
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Post by donsking on Sept 7, 2007 22:31:20 GMT
A tenner says that if this story ever gets fully told, the parents were responsible and the kid was dead before she even 'went missing'.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 7, 2007 22:33:09 GMT
A tenner says that if this story ever gets fully told, the parents were responsible and the kid was dead before she even 'went missing'. For everybody's sake i hope you're wrong .
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Post by Deleted on Sept 7, 2007 22:54:25 GMT
A tenner says that if this story ever gets fully told, the parents were responsible and the kid was dead before she even 'went missing'. Trouble is, what's the motive, and where's the body? Why weren't the other kids touched, why didn't they notice/hear something?
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Post by donsking on Sept 7, 2007 23:37:38 GMT
A tenner says that if this story ever gets fully told, the parents were responsible and the kid was dead before she even 'went missing'. Trouble is, what's the motive, and where's the body? Why weren't the other kids touched, why didn't they notice/hear something? No motive except fear, an accidental slap too hard, a trip, whatever. This case has sucked since day one, there's no way this kid was going to be found, dead or alive. I'm not saying the child died on purpose, but I'm willing to bet the parents were responsible in some way; on the other hand, I very much doubt we will ever find out the real truth.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 8, 2007 3:09:57 GMT
Trouble is, what's the motive, and where's the body? Why weren't the other kids touched, why didn't they notice/hear something? No motive except fear, an accidental slap too hard, a trip, whatever. This case has sucked since day one, there's no way this kid was going to be found, dead or alive. I'm not saying the child died on purpose, but I'm willing to bet the parents were responsible in some way; on the other hand, I very much doubt we will ever find out the real truth. Completely agree. When I suggested that it could have been the parents at the very beginning, by fuck was I shot down by friends and colleagues. "Oh, that's a terrible thing to say. Can you not see how upset they are on the telly. I'm off to donate some moeny to them. At least I'm doing my bit", I would hear. My feeling is that the Portugese Police know what has happpened from the beginning, and have been spending a lot of time gathering the evidence. We will see a trial shortly, in my opinion. The whole situation is a horrible, horrible one (as if I need to say that...). The courting of the media, and jet-setting, makes it even more disgusting.
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Post by stuartroad on Sept 8, 2007 9:22:24 GMT
Trouble is, what's the motive, and where's the body? Why weren't the other kids touched, why didn't they notice/hear something? No motive except fear, an accidental slap too hard, a trip, whatever. This case has sucked since day one, there's no way this kid was going to be found, dead or alive. I'm not saying the child died on purpose, but I'm willing to bet the parents were responsible in some way; on the other hand, I very much doubt we will ever find out the real truth. horrible thought,but a possibility. imagine if you had posted that on the bsf
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Post by Deleted on Sept 8, 2007 10:11:10 GMT
The whole weird effect is because Portuguese law sensibly prevents any confirmation of any aspect of the case under investigation, no press releases and no statements - UK police have been trying to extract as much as they can and the press are freewheeling into insanity. Our police soon feed and make public appeals and have huge press relations staff. They don't. I bet - after a trial - the actual sequence of events and the police decision will seem far more rational. These were my thoughts last whilst lying in bed trying to get off to sleep. Am I the only one struggling with this story, I'm sure i'm not? As an ex Police Officer the fist thing I felt from the offset was frustration, not getting more info from the Portugese Police ..you know the pattern of how it works in the UK and clearly they run things very differently. I've worked on many murder, missing person enquiries . (those that have never been found) but never anything like this.Although all serious offence enquiries would follow the same pattern. From the offset I've had a certain amount of sympathy for the McCanns as it appeared that they were beside themselves with guilt, grief etc. No-one could ever condone leaving three very young children on their own, thats the bizarre thing about it all, they come across as rational, loving parents, who the hell in their right mind would leave kids on their own like that? It appears now of course that the suggestion is that they didn't, and that either one or both of them have been involved in her what looks increasingly like her demise. They may have been suspects ( to the Police) from the offset, but maybe they were waiting for the forsensic swabs to come back from the fss Birmingham and got that little snippet (which very often incidentally) is what clinches your case. I think the pivotal thing is the suggestion that Maddy's blood was found in a hire car that they hired 25 days after she went missing. This appears very odd, but when what is being released to the press is very stilted, you head goes everywhere ( well mine does anyway ). Very often in these unusal cases people turn detective and come up with all sorts of different reasons as to what happened, but as swinetown has said, it is usually a straightforward sequence of events. The first 72 hrs of any investigation are the most critical, and it isn't unusual to have your murderer* right from the offset, treat them as witnesses, let them believe they are in the clear and sit back and wait 'til they trip themselves up. It's hard to base an opinion on very little factual information and I did believe up until last night and this morning they were probably innocent. But this turn of events makes you sit back and think. I don't know really, we'll just have to wait and see, one thing is for sure it's very very sad. * I've used that term as honestly, I believe maddy probably died that night. Edit; against my better judgement I just had a look at one or two of the last pages of the thread BSF on this. It never ceases to amaze me that people stand judge, jury and executioner over something they know absoloutely nothing about, fucking morons ( sorry but I'm very angry)
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Post by Deleted on Sept 8, 2007 13:47:29 GMT
I still can decide whether I think they were involved or not.
However if you believe The Sun (OK I know gutter press but it's the only one I've read today), Mrs McCann washed Maddy's favourite cuddlecat, the toy she has carried with her constantly since Maddy disappeared. Now that to me is unbeleiveable in the extreme and something I cannot get my head round, surely the toy would have the scent of her daughter on it, why wash it off. As I say it was in the Sun, so it may well not be true.
Something else that occurs to me is, AFAIK Portuguese law forbids the police to disclose anything about named suspects. So why did a "family friend/member" tell journalists that the police offered the mother a deal? The police cannot by law deny it, they cannot by law reveal it, so what was the point except to go for the sympathy vote when it looks like the McCanns are losing public sympathy?
I'm pretty sure it wasn't a random abduction tho. For someone to break in on the offchance and leave no evidence just doesn't square up in my mind. So it was either planned meticulously or someone had inside info. Likewise why would someone break in and kill a child and remove the body.
I'm merely thinking out loud amongst friends which I cannot do on BSF, so if you don't agree with me fine cos I'm not sure what my thoughts are leading me to anyway.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 8, 2007 14:01:36 GMT
I still can decide whether I think they were involved or not. However if you believe The Sun (OK I know gutter press but it's the only one I've read today), Mrs McCann washed Maddy's favourite cuddlecat, the toy she has carried with her constantly since Maddy disappeared. Now that to me is unbeleiveable in the extreme and something I cannot get my head round, surely the toy would have the scent of her daughter on it, why wash it off. As I say it was in the Sun, so it may well not be true. Something else that occurs to me is, AFAIK Portuguese law forbids the police to disclose anything about named suspects. So why did a "family friend/member" tell journalists that the police offered the mother a deal? The police cannot by law deny it, they cannot by law reveal it, so what was the point except to go for the sympathy vote when it looks like the McCanns are losing public sympathy? I'm pretty sure it wasn't a random abduction tho. For someone to break in on the offchance and leave no evidence just doesn't square up in my mind. So it was either planned meticulously or someone had inside info. Likewise why would someone break in and kill a child and remove the body. I'm merely thinking out loud amongst friends which I cannot do on BSF, so if you don't agree with me fine cos I'm not sure what my thoughts are leading me to anyway. Think we are all the same SL . This is a missing child case like no other . We would all like to think the parents are blameless , but there is that wee nagging voice that makes you doubt them . I wish from the bottom of my heart the wee lassie could be found safe and well , but i seriously doubt that is going to happen . And SL you really cant post what you feel about this on the BSF cause what a load of know-all , self-righteous load of twats inhabit these type of threads . Condescending flapperjacks the lot of them .
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Post by Deleted on Sept 8, 2007 14:14:28 GMT
I too have had a funny feeling about this from the beginning.
The arguement that they were only a few metres away having their meal (have you seen the pics of the tapas bar and the apartment......more than a few metres and certainly not in view), that the parents were checking every now and then, just didn't seem completely right.
Who in their right minds would leave 3 children under the age of 4 alone in an apartment while you went to a bar which you could not clearly see your apartment from? Certainly not me! According to some on the BSF, this is perfectly normal behaviour, well sorry but when me and ex went to Disneyland, we arranged the babysitting service (At quite a high cost) while me and hubby went for a meal....in the same hotel! My kids at the time were 10,7 and 6.
One scenario I have thought of is if they are guilty of killing Maddie, then it could have been accidental.....on one of the checks back, Maddie wakes up and creates a bit of a scene and in stress and a little anger, the parent hits out, accidently killing her.
But who knows really, the parents behaviour hasn't exactly lent itself to good public opinion, as Lupus said, if you have already had one child alledgedly kidnapped, you would want to keep your surviving kids close and not gallivant around the world on a PR exercise.
For supposedly intelligent people, their actions just begger belief.
Edited as I seem to be brain dead today when it comes to spelling.
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Post by stuartroad on Sept 8, 2007 20:09:34 GMT
i see the bsf censors have struck again
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Post by Deleted on Sept 8, 2007 20:12:53 GMT
i see the bsf censors have struck again Ach for fucks sake - what's that all about . Cant blame Lioness this time she's on holiday .
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Post by Deleted on Sept 8, 2007 20:17:04 GMT
Well I've just asked why, so either we get an explanation or another thread will get deleted.
EDIT, Just been told by my daughter that a thread about the McCanns has been removed from a scrap booking forum with an explanation saying it was following the lead of other forums. At least they gave an explanation.
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