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Post by Deleted on Mar 18, 2011 23:24:23 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Mar 19, 2011 17:05:09 GMT
TBF Kev, why has this only reared it's ugly head now  , seems to me that all GB riders, including Aussies and Americans, Swedes and Danes have accepted the new silencer, ok they may not like them, but that is totally different to them being dangerous as Tomasz and Jarek have told their federation they are  . One wonders if the Poles haven't been testing and adjusting them on their bikes because they don't have to for riding in Poland....I am not belittling their opinions you understand, but the PL lads didn't seem to have any trouble on Thursday night, riding all over the track and Kev Doolan was only a couple of seconds off the track record set last year by Hans Andersen  , and quicker than the majority of riders last year, who were i) EL riders and ii) without the silencers. Taylor Poole hasn't ridden without the silencers apparently, and I can assure you he didn't have any problems racing. Tomasz Gollob must be one of the most gifted in getting the best out of any engine, surely he could if he wished adapt to using them if he has to. I truly hope that FIM do not back down on their ruling, as this was brought in last year to begin at the start of this season, so they have had plenty of time to get it right. Following Piotr on his website, he used the new silencer on track recently and his translated view was....instead of me "driving" the bike, the bike "drives" me  |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 19, 2011 19:12:59 GMT
I've no idea why this has surfaced now Badger, but what I do know is it's another thing which is going to do speedway no favours at all.
After the debacle in this country over the winter (and into the spring), the sport can really do without any further damaging disputes.
Speedway struggles to get media attention and high profile sponsors at the best of times and this kind of thing will do nothing but damage.....maybe irreparable damage.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 19, 2011 19:29:02 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Mar 19, 2011 21:38:21 GMT
Hmmm seems to me they are flexing their comsiderable muscles to try to stop this going through, well I'm sorry but if FIM do back down, we may as well just give up now!!! |
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Post by zonkers on Mar 21, 2011 10:39:57 GMT
Lindgren Slams Poles MONDAY, 21 MARCH 2011 10:03 Swedish International Freddie Lindgren has launched an attack on the riders that have got the new type of silencers banned in Poland. Lindgren believes that it's too late to make changes just weeks before the Polish season starts but the decision by PZM (Polish Motor Union) to ban the new silencers approved by the FIM has further repercussions throughout Europe. "It is primarily Tomasz Gollob, Jaroslaw Hampel and Janusz Kolodziej who are behind this," Lindgren told SportoweFakty. "All three of them with the help of a lawyer has decided to stop the introduction of the new silencers. This is war, and hopefully it will have a happy end. We'll see who will fall first, because the fun is over." Sweden's motorsport association Svemo has ruled in favour of using the new type of silencer this season which causes a conflict of interest between the two nations. As it stands at the moment, PZM will ban all Polish riders from competing in European league that use the new type of silencer. Swedish teams could stand to loose 23 Polish riders from the league if one side doesn't back down. Statement From Svemo "We will not buckle under pressure from the Polish and will not withdraw from the previously signed contract we have with the FIM. Not a chance," said Per Westling, secretary general of Svemo. "Svemo supports the decision as we know that the reduction in sound levels is a must for some tracks and for the sport to survive. "Sounds levels today are a real threat to a number of tracks in Sweden, England and Denmark. Some tracks in these countries have already had to be shut because of the noise." www.speedway365.com/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=1988:lindgren-slams-poles&catid=317:polish-news&Itemid=598 |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 21, 2011 19:08:34 GMT
Good old Fast Freddie ;D. The Poles have to realise they don't actually run World speedway , even though they have most of the titles  |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 21, 2011 19:40:20 GMT
"It is primarily Tomasz Gollob, Jaroslaw Hampel and Janusz Kolodziej who are behind this," Lindgren told SportoweFakty. " It appears that Rafal Dobrucki and Tomasz Chrzanowski are also deeply involved in this, which also explains Dobrucki's absence from the Poole team at Eastbourne yesterday. And what a refreshing attitude from Svemo......if the FIM, BSPA and DMU adopt the same policy, Poland will be out on a limb and surely will be forced to back down. |
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Post by zonkers on Mar 22, 2011 13:31:54 GMT
Translated from Sportow Fakty...
Suchecki about the position of the FIM-u: I invite any of you in the jacket on my motorcycle
Monday's statement from the FIM silencers on the new once again, and so podgrzało already hot atmosphere in this case. Polish players are outraged by the evidence presented in a statement. One of them is Zbigniew Suchecki.
- I have already read the rations, which shows in his latest statement, the FIM. I do not know what is best for that comment. For us players it's all about to start doing is ridiculous. Season starts at any moment, and we really do not know anything. I have no idea whether I should go now to the mechanic and tell him to get the old mufflers mounted, because they're going. Equally well for a while, you may find that you will need to do something that is not grzały engines, because the new arrangements will apply. As for the new dampers, except everything has been said. I do not have fond memories. I'm not saying even a frequent defects. A motorcycle with a new muffler just goes bad. The machine throws the whole track and hard to control it. But once again it appears that the guys at their desks know better than us. I invite any of you in the navy. We are happy accused him on a motorbike with a new muffler and I will take a ride - a player of the Lublin Coal says Zbigniew Suchecki KMZ.
The FIM-u argument, according to Zbigniew Sucheckiego, is full of ridiculous arguments. One is to rely on opinions of tuners who claim that the new rods are a good quality product. - This is a big nonsense. But the opinions of some of the mechanics and tuners is hardly surprising. In a moment, would begin a series of tests, cross-dressing in the engines. This is all probably would have lasted for months, maybe even the next season. Each would seek a cure for these unfortunate new mufflers, and it binds to such persons of your company. I wish I had thought only about players. In the first and second division, some do not really have the money. Such a solution could end up slag - considered Suchecki.
Suchecki not understand the position of the Swedish federation, which tends to drive the new damper. - In support of this whole thing is it is very strange. They do not get to me compared to the English league. In Sweden may have a bit more. In England, the rides are generally in the evenings, temperatures are lower so the engine so no heat. Tracks are shorter and motorcycles are not broken up to such speeds. Swedes do not understand the approach and do not know how to imagine your league without the Poles. I wonder too, what would happen if by some change in Poland is not able to drive foreigners. I can already see a wave of criticism, which would then appeared. Great arrogance and tactless is also the wording of the statement at the best Polish players. If the world champion and runner-up, and the best Polish speedway do not know what's going on in the slag and advises them to retire, I have no comment to such words - ended Suchecki.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 22, 2011 15:41:11 GMT
"It is primarily Tomasz Gollob, Jaroslaw Hampel and Janusz Kolodziej who are behind this," Lindgren told SportoweFakty. " It appears that Rafal Dobrucki and Tomasz Chrzanowski are also deeply involved in this, which also explains Dobrucki's absence from the Poole team at Eastbourne yesterday. And what a refreshing attitude from Svemo......if the FIM, BSPA and DMU adopt the same policy, Poland will be out on a limb and surely will be forced to back down. Well it is quite strange Kev, alledgedly any Polish rider that has signed for a GB club before last Thursday can actually take their place and race here which then begs the question.......why all the fuss , if they are dangerous, as has been muted, then stop your riders using them, Zonkers, not too sure what Zibi is actually saying  , those translations from Polish to English are errrr somewhat confusing to say the least  Kev, are you expecting Piotr to turn up tomorrow at your P & P?? |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 22, 2011 18:29:50 GMT
Kev, are you expecting Piotr to turn up tomorrow at your P & P?? I've no reason to expect him not there......unless you know otherwise :/ |
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Post by zonkers on Mar 23, 2011 8:00:23 GMT
Wolverhampton's Tai Woffinden wants silencers scrapped Wolves rider Tai Woffinden has hit out at the introduction of silencers to speedway bikes from this season. The 20-year old says the new ruling is extremely costly and might force some riders out of the sport. "It's going to cost me twice as much in engine bills - the majority of riders in every single league in speedway can't afford to do it," he told BBC WM. "Either the silencers stay in and a lot of riders start retiring, or they kick them out and let speedway be." Ironically, Woffinden's early-season performances have shown that he has adjusted well to the new set-up of his bikes, producing three heat victories in his 12-point haul against Birmingham in the second leg of the BBC WM Trophy. We're seeming to get along with it all right but they're going to get kicked out soon Tai Woffinden on silencers "We've sussed out the deal with these silencers, as much as I hate them and everybody else hates them," noted the Scunthorpe-born rider. "We're seeming to get along with it all right but they're going to get kicked out soon. "I serviced my engines after every 30 races but I'm servicing them every 15 now because the back pressure's heating up the valve springs, and when you drop a valve into the piston it ruins your engine." Wolves skipper Peter Karlsson appears to have adjusted well to the new silencers but has some sympathy for riders who are finding it a struggle. "Yeah, ever so much, it's really difficult to handle. Myself I'm a little bit lucky, the bike I've been using against Birmingham, home and away, it's been working fine," Karlsson, 41, told BBC WM after recording a 15-point maximum against the Brummies. "We've got a lot of work to do at home, testing all the stuff and getting it going." The silencers have been introduced world-wide to reduce the noise pollution coming from tracks and to help safeguard the future of clubs that are close to residential areas. Planning permission granted to the Birmingham Brummies to remain at Perry Barr Stadium is dependant on silencers being successfully deployed within three years. news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/motorsport/motorbikes/speedway/9432657.stm |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 23, 2011 10:34:21 GMT
"The silencers have been introduced world-wide to reduce the noise pollution coming from tracks and to help safeguard the future of clubs that are close to residential areas.
Planning permission granted to the Birmingham Brummies to remain at Perry Barr Stadium is dependant on silencers being successfully deployed within three years"
Shouldn't really need much more discussion - I' coming from a slightly skewed vantage point after seeing the shit that NIMBY's throw around whenever a track is mentioned within 25 miles of their house but without the new silencers there is a constant threat in the background of many tracks, and any recently closed tracks who may want to reopen may well need the lower noise levels to do so.
Hopefully there is a way that the silencers can be improved to avoid any increased expense for the riders, as without them it matters little whether a track can open or not
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Post by Deleted on Mar 23, 2011 19:28:18 GMT
This silencer situation really couldn't have come at a worse time for the sport. The various authorities around the world gave plenty of notice of their introduction and any disputes should have been resolved a while ago.
As it stands, it would appear that a handful of riders are using the 'safety issue' to try and block their introduction, although Tai Woffinden has gone on record criticising them for the increased maintenance costs.
Whatever the riders think of them, their fears should have been raised months ago while there was still time for discussion and compromise. The fact that they didn't really doesn't help their argument.
This reminds me of the time when new tyres were introduced to the World Championship a few years ago and the riders threatened to boycott the series. Thankfully, that scenario was resolved and it had no impact on the fixtures.
That just has to happen again for everyone's sake....speedway really can't survive a high profile dispute of this nature at the current time. Someone is going to have to back down or the sport will see a major crisis which I doubt it will recover from.
Let's hope common sense prevails.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 24, 2011 8:06:53 GMT
Well, having heard the new silencers in action yesterday, I have to say that they sounded much more like the old silencers than the ones that were in use at the Ben Fund meeting in 2010. At Rye House in 2010, they definitely sounded muffled - at the Arena yesterday, they sounded less 'noisy' but not muffled if that makes any sense. I reckon the extra year for development must have really helped in that regard. All the riders I spoke to were still complaining about how hot they get though, and there are concerns over potential long term damage to the engines too. Has anyone else heard them yet and have any comments on how they sound? ? |
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, seems to me that all GB riders, including Aussies and Americans, Swedes and Danes have accepted the new silencer, ok they may not like them, but that is totally different to them being dangerous as Tomasz and Jarek have told their federation they are 
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, and quicker than the majority of riders last year, who were i) EL riders and ii) without the silencers.
, those translations from Polish to English are errrr somewhat confusing to say the least 