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Post by Deleted on Aug 14, 2007 12:02:12 GMT
Not fair enough. First bend bunching often provides just as much of a cop out for referees as any other time in the race. True, they do sometimes do that. I do think that if a rider is clearly at fault on a first bend incident then they should be excluded. There is a case of riders all banging into each other being deemed an unsatisfactory start though, which is fair enough in my book. Last night the race had gone too far for it to be a consequence of the start, so I reckon someone should be excluded. I reckon he should have excluded Crump mind, but even so someone had to go. Excluding Iversen was still better than all four back.
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Post by admin on Aug 14, 2007 12:03:54 GMT
I can't remember exactly but didn't Richard Hall fall off in every race Ug ug Don't know, but he took a tumble in all three attempts to run Ht 12, which, of course, was awarded and as such didn't actually reach a chequered flag conclusion.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 14, 2007 12:20:07 GMT
I think he made it round 4 laps in ht2. Must be hard for him staying on the bike though and keeping his knuckles from dragging on the ground at the same time.
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Post by Genghis on Aug 14, 2007 12:49:43 GMT
I reckon he should have excluded Crump mind, but even so someone had to go. Excluding Iversen was still better than all four back. Grachan, That just shows how it's all down to opinion and intrepretation, as I would have considered Iversen's exclusion or all 4 back as correct decisions, but Crump excluded as a very wrong decision. Crump was past when the rider behind him clipped the back of his bike. How's that his fault? All the best Rob
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Post by Deleted on Aug 14, 2007 13:36:24 GMT
Grachan, That just shows how it's all down to opinion and intrepretation, as I would have considered Iversen's exclusion or all 4 back as correct decisions, but Crump excluded as a very wrong decision. Crump was past when the rider behind him clipped the back of his bike. How's that his fault? All the best Rob Rob, It's Carter/Penhall all over again. You blamed Carter. I blamed Penhall. At least we're both consistent! Personally I think Crump took an outward journey towards the fence - so much so that he hit the fence afterwards without really changing direction. Swiped the bugger right off he did! As you say, though, it's open to interpretation. Makes it interesting in the end. All four back doesn't.
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Post by admin on Aug 14, 2007 14:04:39 GMT
This incident was on the straight, while the Carter-Penhall incident was still in the turn. Anyway, this was, for me, a matter of angles: from one angle it looked an exclusion of Iversen would be fair, but from another it looked an exclusion of Crump would be fair. I don't like this theory that the rider in front has the right to do as he wishes. It's something that is often spouted during incidents like this: "so and so was in front and entitled to take this, that or the other line and other riders have to take the consequences of it."
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Post by Deleted on Aug 14, 2007 17:55:09 GMT
I don't like this theory that the rider in front has the right to do as he wishes. It's something that is often spouted during incidents like this: "so and so was in front and entitled to take this, that or the other line and other riders have to take the consequences of it. I agree with that - what some are saying is if a rider is a wheels length in front, it's gives him licence to ride where he wants - that's bollox. Even if that was an accepted manouvre, the fact that Crump's back wheel, and Iversen's front wheel clashed proves that Crump wasn't actually in front of Iversen! I'd have excluded Crump personally.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 15, 2007 6:28:24 GMT
I watched this again last night and, watching the original full speed overhead footage I suddenly saw it - Iversen moving inwards. So, if you concentrate on Crump it's Crump's fault. If you concentrate of Iversen it's Iversen's fault.
Either could have been excluded, as they said at the time. Still wouldn't have all four back though.
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Post by schumi on Aug 15, 2007 7:46:45 GMT
I watched this again last night and, watching the original full speed overhead footage I suddenly saw it - Iversen moving inwards. I'd agree with that, although minimal. Looked like Niels was momentarily thinking of cutting back up the inside, just there wasn't enough room.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 15, 2007 17:25:39 GMT
There was some great riding from the younger riders too, notably Bachelor, Doolan and King. Were they showing the Wolves Vs Belle Vue match at the same time. Doolan did ride well on Monday though ;D
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Post by stevehone on Aug 15, 2007 21:19:26 GMT
There was some great riding from the younger riders too, notably Bachelor, Doolan and King. Were they showing the Wolves Vs Belle Vue match at the same time. Doolan did ride well on Monday though ;D maybe she got Doolan mixed up with Kennett? what, what was that ... Kennett was shit ... oh well, maybe not then.
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