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Post by Deleted on Sept 25, 2009 21:34:54 GMT
And as I said to you, honey - how many times have you told me that, and how many times have you gone back? That's because the Old Momgol has speedway in his blood. As much as he tries to deny it, he enjoys his trips to Berwick to watch his beloved Bandits. Maybe if Berwick had some success Subedei would admit he supported them and start enjoying himself, although i suspect Sub would be bored on LSD trip. |
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Post by admin on Sept 25, 2009 21:35:32 GMT
Nonsense. Two teams roaring around an enclosed track, with riders shoulder-to-shoulder. Mostly riders are shoulder-to-shoulder for twenty yards. |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 25, 2009 21:38:01 GMT
Only the stupid brave turn up when the Neanderthals are in town. Posh will be fine, just a year of consolidation  |
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Post by Genghis on Sept 25, 2009 21:40:10 GMT
Nonsense. Two teams roaring around an enclosed track, with riders shoulder-to-shoulder. Mostly riders are shoulder-to-shoulder for twenty yards. But when you do get two riders shoulder-to-shoulder for a full four laps, what a sight it is. Beats any other sport in a cocked hat.  |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 25, 2009 21:41:15 GMT
But I guess that's why we complain - we're passionate about speedway and want it to be the best it can? There's your answer.  |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 25, 2009 21:42:39 GMT
Mostly riders are shoulder-to-shoulder for twenty yards. But when you do get two riders shoulder-to-shoulder for a full four laps, what a sight it is. Beats any other sport in a cocked hat. Don't you advocate TWO lap speedway races ? |
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Post by Genghis on Sept 25, 2009 21:48:06 GMT
But when you do get two riders shoulder-to-shoulder for a full four laps, what a sight it is. Beats any other sport in a cocked hat. Don't you advocate TWO lap speedway races ? Indeed. Because it would increase the number of race-long battles, as well as increasing the number of first bends (as I would increase the no of races to 25 to 30). I love first bends - brutal, uncomprising and frequently surprising. |
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Post by admin on Sept 25, 2009 21:54:05 GMT
Mostly riders are shoulder-to-shoulder for twenty yards. But when you do get two riders shoulder-to-shoulder for a full four laps, what a sight it is. Which is what makes Polish speedway so compelling - you get such sights far more often. Some of the speedway seen in the Ekstraliga this season has been glorious. The Bydgoszcz versus Torun fixture a few weeks ago was wonderful speedway in front of a passionate crowd, not a handful of terminally deluded anoraks. |
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Post by Genghis on Sept 25, 2009 22:06:24 GMT
But when you do get two riders shoulder-to-shoulder for a full four laps, what a sight it is. Which is what makes Polish speedway so compelling - you get such sights far more often. Some of the speedway seen in the Ekstraliga this season has been glorious. The Bydgoszcz versus Torun fixture a few weeks ago was wonderful speedway in front of a passionate crowd, not a handful of terminally deluded anoraks. Blah, blah, blah  Question: despite blabbing on constantly about Polish Speedway, have you actually travelled over to watch any meeting in Poland this year? But I know for a fact that you've travelled to meetings in the UK this season. Just shows, despite all the waffle, you prefer the wonderful spectacle that is British Speedway. |
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Post by schumi on Sept 25, 2009 22:11:56 GMT
But I know for a fact that you've travelled to meetings in the UK this season. Leave him alone. Berwick's his local track, and I don't allow trips to Poland.  Seriously, at least he's got something good to say about at least one aspect of speedway - that was what I was looking for. Positivity. |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 25, 2009 22:15:00 GMT
Okay, but as you don't pay for you burger in the price of your ticket, what more do you want for your money? I mean, you knew when you paid you'd get 15 heats with 4 riders, but you can't legislate for the quality of racing - you pay your money and you take your chances. You know what you're going to get, so what's the complaint? Genuine question - just wondered what people expect from their entrance fee. I havent been at all this season and to be honest I haven't missed it. Yes Lynn have had another successful season but that probably equates to pretty boring speedway, over the past few years the only real entertainment was watching them away from home I dont expect to see shoulder-to-shoulder racing in every heat but its rarer than hens teeth at most tracks. What I do expect is to see two (reasonably) well matched teams and more heats than not providing an element of competition for the outcome, can you genuinely say you get that at most tracks or are most of the heats pretty much 'to form'? The whole way the speedway is run is a complete mess with so many vested interests and no-one looking after the good of the sport and all done with a ridiculous amount of secrecy (where are the public plans for the development of the sport seen in other professional sports). Rather than this obsession about getting 'close scores' the emphasis should be switched to getting 'close races' - that doesnt have to mean lots of passing but that would be the ideal. Thus parity doesnt just mean in terms of team averages but also in finding a structure that would allow the variation within team lineups to be minimised, as a basic requirement there should be less reward for the 'big hitting' heat leader (often off in the distance and not really value for money in entertainment terms) and adjust the rules to reduce the impact of a 'top reserve' (which is an artifical notion that distorts teams and matches) |
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Post by Genghis on Sept 25, 2009 22:20:12 GMT
Leave him alone. Berwick's his local track, and I don't allow trips to Poland. Nonsense, Ulan Bator is his local track. |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 26, 2009 12:55:42 GMT
I havent been at all this season been twice when my daughter couldn't have gone except with me and was bored both timesand to be honest I haven't missed it \likewise. Yes Lynn have had another successful season but that probably equates to pretty boring speedway, over the past few years the only real entertainment was watching them away from home Totally agree with youI dont expect to see shoulder-to-shoulder racing in every heat but its rarer than hens teeth at most tracks. What I do expect is to see two (reasonably) well matched teams and more heats than not providing an element of competition for the outcome, can you genuinely say you get that at most tracks or are most of the heats pretty much 'to form'? Couldn't have put it better myselfThe whole way the speedway is run is a complete mess with so many vested interests and no-one looking after the good of the sport and all done with a ridiculous amount of secrecy (where are the public plans for the development of the sport seen in other professional sports). Are you sure you haven't been living in my mind we think so much alike on thisRather than this obsession about getting 'close scores' the emphasis should be switched to getting 'close races' - that doesnt have to mean lots of passing but that would be the ideal. Thus parity doesnt just mean in terms of team averages but also in finding a structure that would allow the variation within team lineups to be minimised, as a basic requirement there should be less reward for the 'big hitting' heat leader (often off in the distance and not really value for money in entertainment terms) and adjust the rules to reduce the impact of a 'top reserve' (which is an artifical notion that distorts teams and matches) not sure how it could be done but agree with the sentimentsI doubt very much that I will ever become a regular speedway fan again, and those of you that know me know how alien that thought would have been only 5 years ago. Once you put some distance between the habit of going to a meeting every week you begin to see more of the faults and disadvantages and as Tony says you don't actually miss the experience of going. That in itself should be a danger sign to promoters. From the outside looking in, it seems to me that there are still far too few actual promoters. I'm sure I'll get jumped on for saying this but the Chapmans for all their faults and they way they annoy other clubs fans actually promote - the crowd sizes bear witness to that. I'm not too familiar with other PL clubs (and certainly not EL) but I don't think many others can say the same. Having said that, I still find 15 heats strung out over 2 hours to be far too little for the money. I'll try being constructive here just for Schumi There must be ways that more entertainment can be added at minimal extra cost. It wouldn't be my cuppa tea but surely there are up and coming bands in all areas that would jump at the chance to perform in front of a crowd of hundreds (thousands in some cases) and make a name for themselves. Local marching bands (do they have them still?), display performances from other sports (I've seen martial arts displays etc at fetes and things). Even if it wasn't possible every week, it might be worth trying. Trying to improve the actual on track entertainment, is a far trickier problem. My solution wouldn't work but for the record, use standardised engines, banish the high cost tuners that only the fortunate well sponsored or rich daddy youngsters can afford and let's get back to the days of Bettsy, Tiddler and Reevo who slung their bikes on the back of their cars and just got on with it. |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 26, 2009 13:06:07 GMT
Not bad SL, but i agree with everything bar the standard engines. My comments would be limit the revs on the engines to where they were 10 years ago.
FWIW the Chapmans are good promoters, you can see how good they are at it by the results, given that it's a pity they resort to cheating and are so unsporting.
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Post by admin on Sept 26, 2009 13:13:51 GMT
FWIW the Chapmans are good promoters, you can see how good they are at it by the results, given that it's a pity they resort to cheating and are so unsporting. The Chapmans are good promoters and have a happy knack of taking advantage of weaknesses in the average system. For example, in the last two seasons they have signed a rider from the Elite League on his previous Premier League average (Messrs Doolan and Schramm). In addition, of course, they signed Darcy Ward (and his over-inflated ego) on what was manifestly a ridiculous assessed average. Most, if not all, promoters resort to what you could term "cheating" and if they don't, well, they get left for roadkill by those, such as the Chapmans and Campbell at Edinburgh who do. I prefer to call it "sharp practise". And mastery of it is the first requirement of a British promoter. |
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