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Post by Deleted on Aug 10, 2009 17:25:32 GMT
Didn't Tomasz ride for Oxford at one point? Schumi, and how does that affect things one way or the other? If he's taking the piss, then he's taking the piss no matter who he's ridden for. But he's NOT taking the piss. Have you actually read the full sequence of events?
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Post by Deleted on Aug 10, 2009 17:30:45 GMT
Because they've treated this case on its merits rather than just going for a blanket ban. So don't write rules that call for blanket bans then....That was my point. Their own stupidity makes the sport look foolish again.
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Post by Genghis on Aug 10, 2009 17:45:19 GMT
Schumi, and how does that affect things one way or the other? If he's taking the piss, then he's taking the piss no matter who he's ridden for. But he's NOT taking the piss. Have you actually read the full sequence of events? Yes, of course I have - I can find my way to the Birmingham website. But I still don't accept that Piszcz couldn't have rode at Newport. What are the Poles going to do - hire a hitman. None that I care at this moment. We've got Crumpie. Woohoo. ;D ;D
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Post by Deleted on Aug 10, 2009 17:52:55 GMT
Sorry about delay, was away this weekend.. So the nomations are for:
- Polish Speedway - Moderators on the BSF - 'Know-it-alls' on the Rob Woffinden thread on the BSF - Whoever decided on the charge for the GP Qualifier at Coventry - Tomasz Piszcs (probably spelt wrong)
And I think the winner is.... The Moderators on the BSF! With Polish Speedway for their silly play off system & the GP qualifier chargers coming in a close second... I've not read the Rob Woffinden thread tbh, and from what I can see Tomas was more a victim of circumstances... Riders can be put in tough situations.
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Post by zonkers on Aug 10, 2009 17:56:38 GMT
But he's NOT taking the piss. Have you actually read the full sequence of events? Yes, of course I have - I can find my way to the Birmingham website. But I still don't accept that Piszcz couldn't have rode at Newport. What are the Poles going to do - hire a hitman. None that I care at this moment. We've got Crumpie. Woohoo. ;D ;D Shouldn't you be packing.....?
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Post by Genghis on Aug 10, 2009 17:59:32 GMT
Yes, of course I have - I can find my way to the Birmingham website. But I still don't accept that Piszcz couldn't have rode at Newport. What are the Poles going to do - hire a hitman. None that I care at this moment. We've got Crumpie. Woohoo. ;D ;D Shouldn't you be packing.....? Just about to start. But we've got Crumpie - woohoo ;D
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Post by schumi on Aug 10, 2009 18:30:11 GMT
Didn't Tomasz ride for Oxford at one point? Schumi, and how does that affect things one way or the other? If he's taking the piss, then he's taking the piss no matter who he's ridden for. Ah yes, I forgot about the addendum to your "anyone who rode for Oxford is exempt from criticism" motto. That's "anyone who rode for Oxford unless schumi likes them".
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Post by Genghis on Aug 10, 2009 18:33:46 GMT
Schumi, and how does that affect things one way or the other? If he's taking the piss, then he's taking the piss no matter who he's ridden for. Ah yes, I forgot about the addendum to your "anyone who rode for Oxford is exempt from criticism" motto. That's "anyone who rode for Oxford unless schumi likes them". Correct. Apart from Rickardsson. You don't like him, whilst I called him a wanker after drinking too much at Reading in 2006.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 10, 2009 23:38:07 GMT
But it all just shows how "on the ball" the Poles are. No messing about, unlike the British over Bridger a couple of weeks ago. Sube just what is a rider to do? Birmingham were forced to ride that meeting v Newport by the BSPA when they didn't want to and the Poles in their own way forced TP to ride for them. It's a no win situation and all this bleating and beating the chest saying how great the bloody Poles are doesn't wash with me. They create a lot of the mess some riders get in to.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 11, 2009 9:45:22 GMT
But it all just shows how "on the ball" the Poles are. No messing about, unlike the British over Bridger a couple of weeks ago. Sube just what is a rider to do? Birmingham were forced to ride that meeting v Newport by the BSPA when they didn't want to and the Poles in their own way forced TP to ride for them. It's a no win situation and all this bleating and beating the chest saying how great the bloody Poles are doesn't wash with me. They create a lot of the mess some riders get in to. I think the whole system creates the mess the Poles just have all the power. I'm still not convinced Bridger did the wrong thing a couple of weeks ago, his excuses were lame but thats not to say the real reasons were not perfectly justified.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 11, 2009 16:12:05 GMT
I think the whole system creates the mess the Poles just have all the power. Well I think the Poles think they're the dominant league, therefore they don't need to cooperate with anyone else. The problem though, is that what goes around, comes around, and they may not always been in such a dominant position in future. If you go around pissing off everyone else, then eventually they'll gang up on you and pull the plug on their riders going to Poland, and that's not to anyone's benefit. The big three leagues need to realise they aren't in competition with each other, and need to start cooperating on issues such as the SGP, fixture coordination, and where riders get allocated. Really though, whilst the Polish authorities/teams continue to play this sort of game, British teams need to stop relying on riders who have Polish league contracts, even if it means replacing them with juniors in the meantime. You can't possible hope to run a successful business if you don't know whether your employees are going to turn up. How they deal with British riders going AWOL in Poland I don't know, but I'm sure lengthy bans might persuade riders to see which side their bread is buttered on. If they choose Poland over Britain as a result, then good luck to them.
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Post by admin on Aug 11, 2009 20:20:23 GMT
Because they've treated this case on its merits rather than just going for a blanket ban. So don't write rules that call for blanket bans then....That was my point. Their own stupidity makes the sport look foolish again. You should take up joinery with your peerless ability to hit nails firmly on the head. Don't write a rule that you're not going to enforce. The first time this rule has been tried, it has been found to be useless. We can all make up excuses and feeble reasons, just as Birmingham have done. All this nonsense about Piszcz identifying this particular Sunday as being out of bounds to the UK from the start of the season is surely nonsense. As far as I can recall, Lublin didn't even call on the services of Piszcz until well into the Polish season. And the reason the Poles believe they can ride roughshod over everyone is because they can. And they can because they have the critical mass when it comes to the sport - riders. The Poles have the riders. Until a couple of years ago the Polish league was dominated by Polish riders, with a minimal number of foreign mercenaries, this has left the Poles with an enviable infrastructure for bringing through junior riders. The Poles have won the junior SWC every year since it was introduced and they'll probably win it again this season. There are very nearly as many Polish riders in the top Swedish league as there are Swedes. So long as the Poles have the riders, they'll be in a position to dictate, while the BSPA will talk tough and ultimately compromise their what's left of their integrity away with shoddy deals applied to favoured promotions.
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