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Post by Deleted on Oct 7, 2007 16:28:19 GMT
How refreshing it is to read in Saturday's programme that the Lakeside management are looking forward to next season.......... no sign of negatively from them...... no blaming the BSPA for all their woes........ no threat of closure or dropping down if they don't get their way!!! And get this.......... Stanley is aiming to gain additional sponsorship during the winter which will enable him to DROP admission prices by £3 next season!!! He's made it clear that he not promising, but the fact that he's trying to give something back to the fans is brilliant in my book. My guess is that the majority of other promoters wouldn't pass on any sponsorship money to the fans....... they'd either invest it in their team, or dare I say pocket it!!! (As a well known ex-Canterbury promoter was strongly rumoured to do ). Let's face it, how many other tracks have staged a meeting offering FREE admission!!! If only Stan was orange, he could run the sport in this country, and I'm sure he'd make a huge success of it.......... until then, let's hope many other promotions are watching his lead, and learning from it!!!
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Post by Deleted on Oct 7, 2007 17:00:22 GMT
If only Stan was orange, he could run the sport in this country, and I'm sure he'd make a huge success of it.. He appears to have made a decent start, but he hasn't been in the game long enough for us to know whether it can be sustained. It's those promoters who've been around for years-and-years without constantly throwing money down a black hole who really are the successful ones.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 7, 2007 18:02:22 GMT
If only Stan was orange, he could run the sport in this country, and I'm sure he'd make a huge success of it.. He appears to have made a decent start, but he hasn't been in the game long enough for us to know whether it can be sustained. It's those promoters who've been around for years-and-years without constantly throwing money down a black hole who really are the successful ones. That's a negative outlook though wibblemuis, why wait a few years for Stan to 'prove' himself before 'elevating' him to a position of power? Those few years could be the difference between the EL surviving or not - let's be honest here, the promoters you refer to have had years to improve things, and the evidence suggests they haven't done a particularly good job in all those years. Give the young blood a chance, I say!!
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Post by Deleted on Oct 7, 2007 19:52:58 GMT
let's be honest here, the promoters you refer to have had years to improve things, and the evidence suggests they haven't done a particularly good job in all those years. To be honest, I think the main problem has been the hobbyist promoters who come into the sport, throw some cash around for a while, lose a bundle, and then disappear in a short space of time. They are also invariably the ones who've had a bit of business success in the wider world, but who fail to understand that running professional sports on a sustainable basis is a completely different.. errr.. ball game.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 7, 2007 21:18:39 GMT
let's be honest here, the promoters you refer to have had years to improve things, and the evidence suggests they haven't done a particularly good job in all those years. To be honest, I think the main problem has been the hobbyist promoters who come into the sport, throw some cash around for a while, lose a bundle, and then disappear in a short space of time. They are also invariably the ones who've had a bit of business success in the wider world, but who fail to understand that running professional sports on a sustainable basis is a completely different.. errr.. ball game. There's no doubt that Horterjack falls into that category, and as such I can't argue with those sentiments.............. but trust me here, Stanley is no fool, he's done his homework, has a decent back-up crew around him, is under no illusions and most definately is no Horterjack!!! The man has integrity which is a rare comodity in domestic speedway, he's produced a very professional image for his club and has a history following the sport. He's not too big to ask for advice when he needs it and has a raport with the fans. He admits when he's got things wrong and is not affraid to try new innovations and to date he's been very successful. Now tell me that's something British Speedway can afford to ignore!!! All that remains is for him to follow the BSPA dress code when the Horterborough Panthers are in town and he might be taken seriously.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 8, 2007 10:11:33 GMT
To be honest, I think the main problem has been the hobbyist promoters who come into the sport, throw some cash around for a while, lose a bundle, and then disappear in a short space of time. They are also invariably the ones who've had a bit of business success in the wider world, but who fail to understand that running professional sports on a sustainable basis is a completely different.. errr.. ball game. There's no doubt that Horterjack falls into that category, and as such I can't argue with those sentiments.............. but trust me here, Stanley is no fool, he's done his homework, has a decent back-up crew around him, is under no illusions and most definately is no Horterjack!!! The man has integrity which is a rare comodity in domestic speedway, he's produced a very professional image for his club and has a history following the sport. He's not too big to ask for advice when he needs it and has a raport with the fans. He admits when he's got things wrong and is not affraid to try new innovations and to date he's been very successful. Now tell me that's something British Speedway can afford to ignore!!! All that remains is for him to follow the BSPA dress code when the Horterborough Panthers are in town and he might be taken seriously. Don't hold your breath on the last point Kev, but you're spot on with the rest of it. ;D
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Post by Deleted on Oct 8, 2007 11:22:12 GMT
If only Stan was orange, he could run the sport in this country, and I'm sure he'd make a huge success of it.......... until then, let's hope many other promotions are watching his lead, and learning from it!!! Why do you equate running 'the sport' with running a club? This is not in any way having a go at him as he seems to be doing a good job of 'promoting' at Lakeside and yes, it would seem that other promoters could learn a thing or two from the things he is doing but why should he then be able to run the sport when he has shown none of the skills required (not saying he doesnt have them just that they are not skills that show themselves in running a club)
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Post by Deleted on Oct 8, 2007 21:29:00 GMT
And get this.......... Stanley is aiming to gain additional sponsorship during the winter which will enable him to DROP admission prices by £3 next season!!! He's made it clear that he not promising, but the fact that he's trying to give something back to the fans is brilliant in my book. Well done to him but my cynical head says the rest of the BSPA will "persuade" him that it's not in the best interests of the sport and it won't happen. I'll be delighted to be proved wrong tho
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Post by Deleted on Oct 8, 2007 21:53:59 GMT
If only Stan was orange, he could run the sport in this country, and I'm sure he'd make a huge success of it.......... until then, let's hope many other promotions are watching his lead, and learning from it!!! Why do you equate running 'the sport' with running a club? This is not in any way having a go at him as he seems to be doing a good job of 'promoting' at Lakeside and yes, it would seem that other promoters could learn a thing or two from the things he is doing but why should he then be able to run the sport when he has shown none of the skills required (not saying he doesnt have them just that they are not skills that show themselves in running a club) Clearly you don't read his weekly programme notes tony? I've been following this sport which we all love for over 30 years now........ I've seen good promoters, bad promoters, downright crap promoters and everything in between. Stanley is in the top league, and without doubt capable of turning the fortunes of British Speedway around if he was given the opportunity to do so. He's created a revolution down by the side of the lake, and would no doubt do the same at BSPA towers if allowed. That's where the problem lies though, the BSPA (in it's current form) wouldn't allow him the opportunity as they are all looking after #1. Stan has gone on record as saying big changes are needed, but my guess is the majority of promoters will fight him on most fronts. Interesting that both Stan and Cookie were guests of Sandhu at the play-off final though.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 8, 2007 21:56:09 GMT
And get this.......... Stanley is aiming to gain additional sponsorship during the winter which will enable him to DROP admission prices by £3 next season!!! He's made it clear that he not promising, but the fact that he's trying to give something back to the fans is brilliant in my book. Well done to him but my cynical head says the rest of the BSPA will "persuade" him that it's not in the best interests of the sport and it won't happen. I'll be delighted to be proved wrong tho I don't think our Stanley is too easily persuaded though sl........ only time will tell though, but my fingers are tightly crossed.
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Post by schumi on Oct 8, 2007 21:58:56 GMT
Clearly you don't read his weekly programme notes tony? I've been following this sport which we all love for over 30 years now........ I've seen good promoters, bad promoters, downright crap promoters and everything in between. Stanley is in the top league, and without doubt capable of turning the fortunes of British Speedway around if he was given the opportunity to do so. He's created a revolution down by the side of the lake, and would no doubt do the same at BSPA towers if allowed. That's where the problem lies though, the BSPA (in it's current form) wouldn't allow him the opportunity as they are all looking after #1. Stan has gone on record as saying big changes are needed, but my guess is the majority of promoters will fight him on most fronts. Interesting that both Stan and Cookie were guests of Sandhu at the play-off final though. Didn't you say similar things about Waggy, Aaron Lanney and Colin Horton too? Consider this payback for revealing a lady's age.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 8, 2007 22:18:41 GMT
Clearly you don't read his weekly programme notes tony? I've been following this sport which we all love for over 30 years now........ I've seen good promoters, bad promoters, downright crap promoters and everything in between. Stanley is in the top league, and without doubt capable of turning the fortunes of British Speedway around if he was given the opportunity to do so. He's created a revolution down by the side of the lake, and would no doubt do the same at BSPA towers if allowed. That's where the problem lies though, the BSPA (in it's current form) wouldn't allow him the opportunity as they are all looking after #1. Stan has gone on record as saying big changes are needed, but my guess is the majority of promoters will fight him on most fronts. Interesting that both Stan and Cookie were guests of Sandhu at the play-off final though. Didn't you say similar things about Waggy, Aaron Lanney and Colin Horton too? Consider this payback for revealing a lady's age. I stand by what I said about Waggy....... the bloke has his heart in the right place and always put out an entertaining team. Unfortuanately he doesn't have the business acumen to support his ideas, but he's misunderstood by many people. Yes, I hold my hands up about Horton. Initially when it was announced he was moving into Oxford I thought it would be good for the club. I admit, I got that horribly wrong, and in my defence, stated that in no uncertain terms on the BSF at the time. I was slated for my views at the time, but stuck by my guns and unfortuanately I was eventually proven correct. Lanney........... now don't get me started on that flapperjack......... he was the guy who made the coffin for Oxford, and Horton banged the nails into it. I defy you to find one good word I've said about him since he took over the reigns at Cowley....... he was to Oxford Speedway, what Adolf Hitler was to World peace back in the late 1930's, with the only difference being that I believe Hitler knew what he was doing!!!
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Post by schumi on Oct 8, 2007 22:23:20 GMT
I stand by what I said about Waggy....... always put out an entertaining team. Well, with a 22-man team to choose from he couldn't really NOT could he?
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Post by Deleted on Oct 8, 2007 22:28:21 GMT
I stand by what I said about Waggy....... always put out an entertaining team. Well, with a 22-man team to choose from he couldn't really NOT could he? And you look back through that list of names and see how many are now making a name for themselves....... Gafurov, Tomicek and Kroner to name three........... Waggy was ahead of his time.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 8, 2007 22:31:54 GMT
Well, with a 22-man team to choose from he couldn't really NOT could he? And you look back through that list of names and see how many are now making a name for themselves....... Gafurov, Tomicek and Kroner to name three........... Waggy was ahead of his time. Yes they would fit nicely into todays Oxford team.
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