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Post by Deleted on Aug 10, 2007 13:56:17 GMT
Exactly.Why would you want to risk a key rider getting injured for a challenge match in a foreign country before an important period of the season? If Mr Douglas is a bit miffed he should be doing something to stop the dependency on foreign riders rather than trying to get further into the mess of relying on them.Same goes for most teams in the country.Very few can say they have even one British rider that they have helped develop.Plus there are plenty more youngsters out there unsigned at that sort of level.Once bitten,twice bitten ;D
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Post by admin on Aug 10, 2007 19:31:56 GMT
It's simple really - the likes of Vetlanda and (Leszno, Bydgoszcz were riding Leszno that week Pavlic is Leszno property) they house them, feed them and develop them. If they get injured it's a loss to them and they are losing out. Since Jurica Pavlic's father is a Croatian multi-millionaire (his many millions built a superb speedway stadium in Croatia), I think it highly unlikely that young Pavlic is too beholden to his Polish employers.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 10, 2007 23:51:14 GMT
On other matters, I'm sure you've read all this before, but this is my view............ You make some fair points there dk, and the one about Henning I certainly wouldn't argue with (great to see him fixed up with Birmingham btw). There is a flip side to it though, and that is the new promotion took a huge gamble by investing in the club - it was down to the hard core on the terraces and let's be honest here, some huge financial problems. A revolution (as Stanley terms it) was indeed needed. They built a new team which on paper looked extremely good, and in fairness achieved some good results. Our away form did need improving though, and the changes you refer to were intended to do just that. Now, in hindsight, maybe the Andreas move (in light of his injuries) was a mistake - although I hold hopes that when he's fit again (3 weeks was mentioned tonight) he could help us lift the KO Cup - but the reality of the matter is the changes were made for the right reasons; to improve our away form and give us a realistic chance of play-off qualification. Henning, Christian, Paul and also Chris Neath were casualties of the changes and I truely believe that none of them deserved the axe because they'd all done us proud - however the intention was to improve the team and surely that policy can't be faulted? Changing the subject slightly, it was interesting to hear Jon Cook saying that the meeting against Rye House tonight has given the management "a lot to think about". Make of that what you will, but it hinted to me that something may be about to happen down Lakeside way.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 10, 2007 23:57:32 GMT
This really pisses me off - how can Vetlanda in the case of Jonasson, and Bydgoszcz, in the case of Pavlic, dictate what these riders can do? It's simple really - the likes of Vetlanda and (Leszno, Bydgoszcz were riding Leszno that week Pavlic is Leszno property) they house them, feed them and develop them. If they get injured it's a loss to them and they are losing out. A story from non-league footie, Andy Brown played for his Univ team on the advice of his manager at Hinckley Utd not too, he bust his foot and was laid off for 3 months. Brown lost his place, although regained it and was swiftly replaced this Summer. It possibly cost them an automatic promotion place. Ah, but you can't draw parallels with football. Football clubs actually employ players, whereas speedway clubs merely contract them - there is a world of difference. And on your first point, British clubs do pay riders for their services (OK there are a couple of exceptions to that ) which also houses and feeds them, and the intention of booking both Pavlic and Jonasson to ride at Purfleet was done with the intention of developing them too. I guess the way we view it depends on whether our glass is half empty or half full.
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Post by donsking on Aug 11, 2007 0:23:44 GMT
Now, in hindsight, maybe the Andreas move (in light of his injuries) was a mistake - although I hold hopes that when he's fit again (3 weeks was mentioned tonight) he could help us lift the KO Cup - but the reality of the matter is the changes were made for the right reasons; to improve our away form and give us a realistic chance of play-off qualification. Henning, Christian, Paul and also Chris Neath were casualties of the changes and I truely believe that none of them deserved the axe because they'd all done us proud - however the intention was to improve the team and surely that policy can't be faulted? But, you see, I do have a concern about your first point, because the play-offs weren't even an issue pre-season; the aim was to get the team off the bottom spot, and that was always going to happen with the team in place at the start of the season. My feeling is that the management have allowed themselves to be swept along on the crest of a wave; they were probably hoping against hope that they could challenge the top teams, and, when that happened immediately and the play-offs looked like a possibility, instead of staying with the pre-season line of building and consolidation, they decided to go for it and unbalanced the team and undermined it's spirit. That didn't need to happen, after two years propping up the league, the hardcore support would've been more than happy with a mid-table finish and a decent showing in the cup. As for AJ, I'm sorry, but what a waste of money and resources (in terms of riders that had to make way for him) he is; he was carrying an injury before he was signed, aggravated it in the GP immediately before his debut for Lakeside, took part for about 20 seconds in that debut, and now he's out for at least another three weeks, so he won't be making any meaningful contribution to the Lakeside effort this season. That's like setting fire to 50 pound notes to me, so I hope Stuart has a fucking good reason for signing his mate, because I can't see one.
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Post by schumi on Aug 11, 2007 8:35:48 GMT
Changing the subject slightly, it was interesting to hear Jon Cook saying that the meeting against Rye House tonight has given the management "a lot to think about". Make of that what you will, but it hinted to me that something may be about to happen down Lakeside way. Anything to do with a chat to Ricky Kling, maybe? I know he's been doing okay, but I would have expected him to at least score a couple of points last night.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 11, 2007 15:43:50 GMT
Changing the subject slightly, it was interesting to hear Jon Cook saying that the meeting against Rye House tonight has given the management "a lot to think about". Make of that what you will, but it hinted to me that something may be about to happen down Lakeside way. Anything to do with a chat to Ricky Kling, maybe? I know he's been doing okay, but I would have expected him to at least score a couple of points last night. Ricky does seem to be struggling at home, but his away average is actually 4.76 - only better by Krzysztof, Adam and Joonas. He is aware of his weakness at home, but to be fair is putting in as much track practice as he can. Talking of last nights meeting - Rye House put up a better show than some EL teams who have visited Arena this year. The meeting certainly played into the hands of those who advocate an open KO Cup draw encompassing all EL and PL teams and the attendance looked very good for the visit of a lower league team.
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