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Post by Deleted on Nov 27, 2008 15:14:49 GMT
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Post by Genghis on Nov 27, 2008 21:54:24 GMT
But it's nuts. A team who finishes SIXTH out of NINE (i.e. in the BOTTOM half of the table) could end up as league champions. How can that be right? You say that, but there is a points handicap in place. Last year, using this year's scoring systems, the team in sixth (Belle vue) would have finished 35 points behind the league leaders. Now, if they could overcome a 35 point handicap in the final to win over two legs then, quite honestly, they's damn well deserve to be champs. Grachan, What do you think now, if you've seen this week's Speedway Star. I think it's entirely possible that a team finishing sixth in the table could win the league. How fucking ridiculous.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 28, 2008 12:09:42 GMT
Haven't seen it, but I dread to think!
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Post by Genghis on Nov 28, 2008 12:27:32 GMT
Haven't seen it, but I dread to think! To quote young Frigbo: According to Speedway Star, in summary:
Top two seeded to Semi-finals
All matches over two legs
Q-Finals will work like this. 3rd place team chooses opponents and all matches will have a weighting applied. Similarly the semi's.
Weightings are - team in 1st +10, 2nd +6, 3rd +4 and 4th +2.
For example - if the 3rd place team races the 6th place team in the q-final they will start with a 4pt advantage. The other q-final would see the 4th placed team start 2pts to the good.
In the semi's the top club chooses opponents, if they choose 4th they'll start with an 8pt advantage (their +10 minus the 4th place team's +2).
The final is a straight 2 leg aggregate match.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 28, 2008 12:43:24 GMT
Haven't seen it, but I dread to think! To quote young Frigbo: According to Speedway Star, in summary:
Top two seeded to Semi-finals
All matches over two legs
Q-Finals will work like this. 3rd place team chooses opponents and all matches will have a weighting applied. Similarly the semi's.
Weightings are - team in 1st +10, 2nd +6, 3rd +4 and 4th +2.
For example - if the 3rd place team races the 6th place team in the q-final they will start with a 4pt advantage. The other q-final would see the 4th placed team start 2pts to the good.
In the semi's the top club chooses opponents, if they choose 4th they'll start with an 8pt advantage (their +10 minus the 4th place team's +2).
The final is a straight 2 leg aggregate match.So if the team that tops the league is clearly the best, such as Poole last season, and the team finishing 2nd, is clearly the second best, such the Hammers last season, they are likely to face each other in the semi's, making the final a complete waste of time.
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Post by Genghis on Nov 28, 2008 13:04:17 GMT
So if the team that tops the league is clearly the best, such as Poole last season, and the team finishing 2nd, is clearly the second best, such the Hammers last season, they are likely to face each other in the semi's, making the final a complete waste of time. Hatcham - I suspect the whole retarded system was dreamt up on the back of a beermat.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 28, 2008 14:46:57 GMT
To quote young Frigbo: According to Speedway Star, in summary:
Top two seeded to Semi-finals
All matches over two legs
Q-Finals will work like this. 3rd place team chooses opponents and all matches will have a weighting applied. Similarly the semi's.
Weightings are - team in 1st +10, 2nd +6, 3rd +4 and 4th +2.
For example - if the 3rd place team races the 6th place team in the q-final they will start with a 4pt advantage. The other q-final would see the 4th placed team start 2pts to the good.
In the semi's the top club chooses opponents, if they choose 4th they'll start with an 8pt advantage (their +10 minus the 4th place team's +2).
The final is a straight 2 leg aggregate match.So if the team that tops the league is clearly the best, such as Poole last season, and the team finishing 2nd, is clearly the second best, such the Hammers last season, they are likely to face each other in the semi's, making the final a complete waste of time. No, you've misunderstood. The 1st and 2nd team in the league are seeded into each semi-final, where they will each meet the two winners of the 3rd-6th place quarter-final round. In theory, the best two teams in the league should still meet in the final.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 28, 2008 15:43:46 GMT
So if the team that tops the league is clearly the best, such as Poole last season, and the team finishing 2nd, is clearly the second best, such the Hammers last season, they are likely to face each other in the semi's, making the final a complete waste of time. No, you've misunderstood. The 1st and 2nd team in the league are seeded into each semi-final, where they will each meet the two winners of the 3rd-6th place quarter-final round. In theory, the best two teams in the league should still meet in the final. So the top team get the choice of 3rd or 4th but cant choose 2nd Kev ?
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Post by Genghis on Nov 28, 2008 16:15:45 GMT
So if the team that tops the league is clearly the best, such as Poole last season, and the team finishing 2nd, is clearly the second best, such the Hammers last season, they are likely to face each other in the semi's, making the final a complete waste of time. No, you've misunderstood. The 1st and 2nd team in the league are seeded into each semi-final, where they will each meet the two winners of the 3rd-6th place quarter-final round. In theory, the best two teams in the league should still meet in the final. I expect the fifth and sixth teams, both of whom have successfully fiddled their averages, to meet in the final.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 28, 2008 20:22:54 GMT
No, you've misunderstood. The 1st and 2nd team in the league are seeded into each semi-final, where they will each meet the two winners of the 3rd-6th place quarter-final round. In theory, the best two teams in the league should still meet in the final. So the top team get the choice of 3rd or 4th but cant choose 2nd Kev ? Correct, the top (and 2nd) team go directly to the semi-finals.......the third team get to choose (4th, 5th or 6th) their opponents for the quarter-finals, from which the winners will proceed to the semi-finals and meet teams 1 and 2.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 28, 2008 20:24:32 GMT
I expect the fifth and sixth teams, both of whom have successfully fiddled their averages, to meet in the final. I'll put another Swedish beer on it that they won't.
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Post by Genghis on Nov 28, 2008 20:42:20 GMT
I expect the fifth and sixth teams, both of whom have successfully fiddled their averages, to meet in the final. I'll put another Swedish beer on it that they won't. I think someone had had too much Swedish beer when they came up with the new, insane play-off system.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 28, 2008 20:57:16 GMT
I'll put another Swedish beer on it that they won't. I think someone had had too much Swedish beer when they came up with the new, insane play-off system. Didn't even know the Swedes brewed beer. As for the play-off system, it is insane, as is the new points system, and should Nicholls be excluded from the British championship and axed from team GB, it could truly be said the 'lunatics have taken over the asylum'.
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Post by Genghis on Nov 29, 2008 21:57:00 GMT
Well, as the Old Mongol has yet to choose the winner, could I again hint that whoever decided that 6 out of 9 teams should contest the EL play-offs would make a worthy winner.
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Post by schumi on Nov 29, 2008 22:00:42 GMT
You have to give him a bit of a prod, genghis.
And while I'm here, I should say I think acheffenbacher might like to have a go at this one week.
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