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Post by Deleted on Nov 17, 2008 17:38:07 GMT
As for TWO dingly dangly do dah whatsits  ....words fucking fail me. Uh...? What does that relate to.....? Or has somebody been doing some editing......hmmmmm?  The tacticals zonkers. I am disappointed that they retained the tactical, personally would rather have retained the 15m one and got rid of the other, not increased it Everything else is OK, but will teams still be able to strengthen to 42 again on August 1st do you think?? Great news about Newport and Berwick too. |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 17, 2008 18:46:22 GMT
Some fairly good decisions have come out of this conference, and overall I'm pleased with the results.
I'm surprised that nobody else has picked up on the fact that Newport are confirmed as running in the PL, and that just has to be the icing on the cake.
On the down side, it looks like the expected Exeter resurgance won't be happening as I'm assuming the place left open for 'a southern team' is Bodmin.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 17, 2008 19:12:32 GMT
I like the sound of the tactical gate rule but get rid of the fucking tactical ride rule not keep it as well!!!!! Grrrrrrr And try explaining that point system to a newbie, it confuses the fuck out of me and I've been going for nearly 30 years!!!!! Yes but if they are a new supporter they wont know any other scoring system,rendering your arguement as nonsense.Dont mind the out come of this conference,like to have seen both tac rides from 15m so teams would have to race for their rewards but all in all not bad. |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 17, 2008 20:19:42 GMT
Been away for a few days, can't be arsed to trawl through all the crap on BSF - can someone please summaries what's happened with Somerset, Newport, Redcar & Berwick over the past few days. I understand all 4 clubs will be running next year in the PL, but who's in control of these clubs now?
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Post by Deleted on Nov 17, 2008 20:36:56 GMT
Been away for a few days, can't be arsed to trawl through all the crap on BSF - can someone please summaries what's happened with Somerset, Newport, Redcar & Berwick over the past few days. I understand all 4 clubs will be running next year in the PL, but who's in control of these clubs now? Berwick have been bought by a consortium led by John Anderson and Linda Waite who are both local businessmen. Redcar have, I believe been bought by Brian Havelock and associates. Newport seems to be clouded in mystery, but no doubt the truth will soon be out. Somerset is anyone's guess after the mudslinging on the BSF, but Mike Golding is the man with the license. |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 17, 2008 20:43:21 GMT
Cheers Kev Good news all round for those 4 clubs then, and for IOW & Mildy who continue to survive albeit in the new National League set up. Can't understand some of the fans on BSF who are having a major dummy spitting episode over dropping down to NL without even giving the new set up a go. Oh what the likes of Genghis, Nevs & myself would give to be in their position.  |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 17, 2008 21:26:35 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Nov 17, 2008 22:19:41 GMT
Cheers Kev Good news all round for those 4 clubs then, and for IOW & Mildy who continue to survive albeit in the new National League set up. ( My pleasure Wacks.  It may not be such good news for Mildy, as it appears the Chapmans were somewhat stitched up prior to their purchase of the club.............see my post on the Mildenhall thread for more details. |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 17, 2008 22:22:26 GMT
Blimey, that brings back memories..........Bila Hora........such a pleasant chap.............I wonder what happened to him. ;D |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 18, 2008 10:48:04 GMT
Also liking the scoring system, but wasn't something similar suggested by Subedei a while ago? It's not far off - but it's actually much closer to the one that I suggested  I am surprised anyone on here considers it a good move, the deal Speedway has struck with Sky has to be the worst in televised sporting history, if the figures quoted are anywhere near correct. Sky get to pay £5000 to cover a meeting where the scores are artificially manipulated as much as humanly possible in order to engineer a close match, solely for their benefit. Once the new season begins and TEAM A travel away and keep the deficit to no more than 4 points for 14 heats then conceed a 5-1 in the last race and get jack shit whilst on the same evening TEAM B travel away, go 10+ points down use a successful tactical, a while later go 12+ points down and get their second joker, and through the gifts of the Sky gods manage to finish 6 points behind, to pick up a potentially vital point. I dont support a team, from my perspective so long as the team i've backed cover the spread i'm happy, but it truly astounds me that anyone who loves and follows a particular side, would be happy to see yet more falsely contrived league positions. |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 18, 2008 10:56:42 GMT
After my initial rejection of the whole thing, I've viewed the waffling statement again.
Very good that the future of certain clubs has been secured. However, most of the rest is tosh. The expanded play-off system (apparently us away we're crying out for double leg affairs? I wasn't but some of the moaning promoters were).
The new scoring system is ok and a similar system used in Rugby Union to good affect.
The abolishment of the tac sub for a tac ride. Big no-no.
Double-up rule appears too restricted. It should be restricted by age, not average.
Tactical Gate? A load of bollocks if you ask me. If one rider's on fire, he can normally be 15 metres behind and catch up with the rest. So sending him off a dodgy gate is hardly going to affect things.
Even more pissed off about the PL saying it's a closed shop. Cheers lads if my city ever gets granted permission. We have to ply our trade in an amateur league.
National League? Utter mystery. Could be good, could be rubbish. I fail to see how the likes of Buxton can compete with Plymouth/IOW in a beefed-up CL.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 18, 2008 13:03:04 GMT
It's not far off - but it's actually much closer to the one that I suggested I am surprised anyone on here considers it a good move, the deal Speedway has struck with Sky has to be the worst in televised sporting history, if the figures quoted are anywhere near correct. Sky get to pay £5000 to cover a meeting where the scores are artificially manipulated as much as humanly possible in order to engineer a close match, solely for their benefit. Once the new season begins and TEAM A travel away and keep the deficit to no more than 4 points for 14 heats then conceed a 5-1 in the last race and get jack shit whilst on the same evening TEAM B travel away, go 10+ points down use a successful tactical, a while later go 12+ points down and get their second joker, and through the gifts of the Sky gods manage to finish 6 points behind, to pick up a potentially vital point. I dont support a team, from my perspective so long as the team i've backed cover the spread i'm happy, but it truly astounds me that anyone who loves and follows a particular side, would be happy to see yet more falsely contrived league positions. The 'rewarding getting close but still losing' makes sense in a sport such as speedway where marginal differences in team strength / ability can produce wide variations in the score due to the 15 heat format. In football there is the away goals rule to discourage teams from travelling with the aim of securing a nil-nil, cricket rewards teams scoring set levels of runs / taking a number of wickets in a set number of overs to encourage quicker run rates so many sports 'contrive' the league table / result to encourage a particular type of behaviour that the administrators are looking for. For me I have always thought a team that travels away and puts up 'a good show' should somehow be rewarded for their efforts, the 3pts for an away win was always too blunt an instrument to be really effective in changing behaviour particularly when visiting stronger teams or those with bigger home track advantages which could still be viewed as average reduction opportunities. I agree with the tactical rides skewing the system and thats why I would prefer scrapping them but introduce a wider margin for bonus points, which would hopefully produce the desired performances from the away team without the anomoly you have outlined As for blaming Sky I think that is a little harsh when the rules apply equally to the PL which only sees a fraction of the Sky income, to me the blame for any changes, good or bad, can only lie at the door of the BSPA |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 18, 2008 14:03:25 GMT
I am surprised anyone on here considers it a good move, the deal Speedway has struck with Sky has to be the worst in televised sporting history, if the figures quoted are anywhere near correct. Sky get to pay £5000 to cover a meeting where the scores are artificially manipulated as much as humanly possible in order to engineer a close match, solely for their benefit. Once the new season begins and TEAM A travel away and keep the deficit to no more than 4 points for 14 heats then conceed a 5-1 in the last race and get jack shit whilst on the same evening TEAM B travel away, go 10+ points down use a successful tactical, a while later go 12+ points down and get their second joker, and through the gifts of the Sky gods manage to finish 6 points behind, to pick up a potentially vital point. I dont support a team, from my perspective so long as the team i've backed cover the spread i'm happy, but it truly astounds me that anyone who loves and follows a particular side, would be happy to see yet more falsely contrived league positions. The 'rewarding getting close but still losing' makes sense in a sport such as speedway where marginal differences in team strength / ability can produce wide variations in the score due to the 15 heat format. In football there is the away goals rule to discourage teams from travelling with the aim of securing a nil-nil, cricket rewards teams scoring set levels of runs / taking a number of wickets in a set number of overs to encourage quicker run rates so many sports 'contrive' the league table / result to encourage a particular type of behaviour that the administrators are looking for. For me I have always thought a team that travels away and puts up 'a good show' should somehow be rewarded for their efforts, the 3pts for an away win was always too blunt an instrument to be really effective in changing behaviour particularly when visiting stronger teams or those with bigger home track advantages which could still be viewed as average reduction opportunities. I agree with the tactical rides skewing the system and thats why I would prefer scrapping them but introduce a wider margin for bonus points, which would hopefully produce the desired performances from the away team without the anomoly you have outlined As for blaming Sky I think that is a little harsh when the rules apply equally to the PL which only sees a fraction of the Sky income, to me the blame for any changes, good or bad, can only lie at the door of the BSPA Thanks for your response, to which i would like to address the following points. Regards me being harsh on Sky tv, considering where i live attending Speedway is not a simple task for me, so i am very grateful and appreciative of their coverage which i think is in the main, very good, however having worked in the industry and with many of Skysports top executives for almost 15 years, i am also well aware of the influence they will attempt to impose. As regards your comments re other sports, Football rewards no advantage to an attacking entertaining unlucky away side, except in European cup competitions, where the advantage only comes into place if sides are level after two matches, as for Cricket, league matches do reward sides with batting and bowling points, but it cannot be compared to speedway. In Speedway this system will benefit 'top heavy' teams who are strong in the last three heats, and sides using bogus guests who are track specialists. |
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Post by schumi on Nov 18, 2008 18:09:53 GMT
From www.speedwayworld.tvPOOLE promoter Matt Ford is happy with most of the regulations for 2009 - despite now having to break up his title-winning team. The Pirates swept to the 2008 Elite League title, their third in six years, but must now make changes to their line-up to come under the 39.90 points limit. Ford said: "I am pleased to see we have followed through last year's plans and overall I do not believe we have done any damage to the sport through cost-cutting. "Yes, there will be some top line riders who may have to miss out on British Speedway due to team constraints but they could well have been the riders who were demanding fees that the sport couldn't afford. "The new points system is a good innovation and should make for a much more tactical approach as far as team construction is concerned. "It really is going to test the team managers as the opportunities for league points are greatly increased and with the change to the tactical rule then guys like Neil (Middleditch) will surely have a lot more to think about then they have had in recent years." A further change to the regulations sees a second tactical ride now available for teams who are twelve points behind (the first is still available for a ten-point deficit) after two seasons when only one tactical ride was available. The change from two to one came after criticism of the dramatic 2006 Grand Final which saw Peterborough make full use of the tactical regulations to overcome Reading, although the margins by which a team can be behind to use them are now increased. Ford added: "If I was being perfectly honest I would say that personally I was disappointed to see the handicap rule for the tactical substitute voted out, as I felt that it added an extra dimension to a meeting, but in truth that was probably the only thing from my pre-conference wish list that did not go the way of my vote." |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 18, 2008 23:17:23 GMT
... As regards your comments re other sports, Football rewards no advantage to an attacking entertaining unlucky away side, except in European cup competitions, where the advantage only comes into place if sides are level after two matches, as for Cricket, league matches do reward sides with batting and bowling points, but it cannot be compared to speedway. In Speedway this system will benefit 'top heavy' teams who are strong in the last three heats, and sides using bogus guests who are track specialists. Cant disagree with your comment about Sky (dont have the contact book though) and would be surprised were it any different, hell rugby league changed the time of year the sport was played for Skys £s, however influence is a difficult thing to judge and given that we dont have an independant governing body its hard to say if their influence is a totally bad thing Think we can both agree that top heavy sides and those built for big home wins will still be disproportionately rewarded. As for sides bringing in track specialist guests, I have long thought this is probably the way to go with squads, particularly for the lower order with top flight teams perming any (say) 2 from 5 for the reserve spots from their 'PL stable' in the hope that they would track riders who were at least competitive at the track they were visiting (in essence it would be like a cricket club picking an all seam attack when visiting Headingly but playing a spinner when going to Old Trafford) - I really cant see who loses out if visiting teams are as strong as possible? The real trick is providing a workable squad model that ensures riders have enough competitive meetings to be financially viable whilst giving clubs the flexibility to pick 'horses for courses', there is also a cultural hurdle for many fans (think Wibblemuis is on his hols) who want to see the same 1-7 each week which is strange when they are then happy to see guests and r/r to cover for absences |
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