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Post by Deleted on Sept 18, 2007 21:28:45 GMT
Don't mind me, just here to gloat and be as smug and arrogant as I bloody well want to be.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 18, 2007 21:30:12 GMT
Don't mind me, just here to gloat and be as smug and arrogant as I bloody well want to be.
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Only cause you pulled a fast one - just to upset Chris
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Post by Deleted on Sept 18, 2007 23:14:57 GMT
Interesting to note though that Chris Schramm (13+3) was allowed to replace James Brundle at reserve. So James Brundle of tonsilitis fame had been sacked....or was he withholding his services? Was a guest allowed under the rules? Well just in case there was a dispute, King's Lynn turned up with a medical certificate for him which stated he had a dislocated shoulder (!) according to the IOW announcer. There's a piscine aroma to all of this methinks! I guess we'll never know the truth of the matter but it would be interesting to learn Mr Brundle's take on events. I'll bet the IOW fans are a bit cheesed off with tonight's turn of events. Particularly when you look at James Brundle's previous scores on the Island.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 19, 2007 14:00:01 GMT
Well I've had a gutful of the constant whinging by some fans. It all boils down to the fact that we won whilst we were severe underdogs. I myself even thought we didn't stand a chance. So now we're all moaning about us supposedly bending the rules, but its not like its never happened before in the history of the sport! A guest was used as JB for whatever reason (mainly being sacked a few days before could be it!) was unavailable to ride. This rule has been used so many times before why does anyone care now? Answer, because this time it's King's Lynn and everyone wants to see them win bugger all this season. It's the BSPA that needs the kick up the arse to sort out their poxy rules.
If you want a version from each side then go read on the BSF a post from James' supposed uncle and then a reply from JC himself.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 19, 2007 14:00:44 GMT
Don't mind me, just here to gloat and be as smug and arrogant as I bloody well want to be.
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Only cause you pulled a fast one - just to upset Chris Bollocks to Chris.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 19, 2007 17:35:17 GMT
Only cause you pulled a fast one - just to upset Chris Bollocks to Chris.And your wondering why people are pissed off with the Schramm/Brundle/Chapman/Croucher/KL/IOW/Cheating/using the rules charade.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 19, 2007 19:08:00 GMT
Well I've had a gutful of the constant whinging by some fans. It all boils down to the fact that we won whilst we were severe underdogs. I myself even thought we didn't stand a chance. So now we're all moaning about us supposedly bending the rules, but its not like its never happened before in the history of the sport! A guest was used as JB for whatever reason (mainly being sacked a few days before could be it!) was unavailable to ride. This rule has been used so many times before why does anyone care now? Answer, because this time it's King's Lynn and everyone wants to see them win bugger all this season. It's the BSPA that needs the kick up the arse to sort out their poxy rules.
If you want a version from each side then go read on the BSF a post from James' supposed uncle and then a reply from JC himself.
In answer to why I 'care' this time is yes, because its Lynn, and not because I want them to win 'bugger all this season', far from it but the way the rules have been manipulated so blatantly has left a sour taste in most supporters mouths irrespective of who they support (and the main reason I've given this evening a miss - not to protest at JB going but the way it was done is just another nail in the 'can I be arsed' coffin) Perhaps ( : the BSPA need to sort their rule book out but all this sort of stunt does is lose JC more respect in many peoples eyes and may make changes that come from a committee he is a member of less likely to be approved come November
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Post by Deleted on Sept 19, 2007 19:23:04 GMT
Bottom line is Tony - KL have worked within the rules . They've replaced their highest average reserve , who is injured , with a guest . Which is what they were perfectly entitled to do .
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Post by admin on Sept 19, 2007 21:36:48 GMT
The rules governing league speedway in the UK, as decided by the BSPA, actively encourage what we might term "sharp practice".
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Post by Deleted on Sept 19, 2007 21:58:16 GMT
Paul, ot saying what Lynn did was illegal, merely that the way that Lynn achieved the win showed a distinct lack of class and I for one see nothing to applaud in their actions (I've posted my views on the return of AA on another thread) The rules governing league speedway in the UK, as decided by the BSPA, actively encourage what we might term "sharp practice". And so the circle turns to an independent governing body (wasnt that where I came in?), even when your club is in the clique it still doesnt make the judgements any more paletable
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Post by Deleted on Sept 19, 2007 22:20:32 GMT
Paul, ot saying what Lynn did was illegal, merely that the way that Lynn achieved the win showed a distinct lack of class and I for one see nothing to applaud in their actions (I've posted my views on the return of AA on another thread) Tony there will never be agreement amongst any clubs fans over issues like this. I'm with you, morally Lynn were wrong. Others will applaud the events as a brilliant use of the rules. I'm just not getting involved anymore. Not worth the effort. I'd agree with you yet again, (worrying isn't it ;D) and with Sub about the rules. The state of the rules and the way they were "used" by various clubs was one of the reasons for my disenchantment earlier this season. I'm afraid nothing that's happened since at any club has managed to persuade me that speedway is worth me getting off my arse and watching at present. In all honesty I find it a very sad state of affairs cos speedway has been a big part of my life for most of my life
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Post by Deleted on Sept 20, 2007 0:10:40 GMT
The above was taken from the BFS. Now the confusing part for me is this. Pray tell when a rider has been sacked how the hell he is still under contract? Surely that contract is broken once he has been sacked
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Post by stevehone on Sept 20, 2007 6:51:51 GMT
and as i've replied on the BSF, maybe he was given notice.
at my place of work it is one month ... obviously in speedway it's different. if James was given notice that his contract is terminated with effect from Wednesday 19th, but there's a meeting on Tuesday 18th and you're to be there, what would you do?
he said no to riding at IOW so therefore classed as witholding his services allowing a guest. he was then told that by witholding his services he would be fined and banned for 28 days, therefore missing Boston play-off and cup meetings. so what do you do ... you go to the docs and say your shoulder is still playing up, get a certificate, again allowing for a guest, but also avoiding said ban and fine.
now, here's the funny part ... Chris Schramm's average is lower than James Brundle's which means when it comes to picking a guest, Schramm is eligable within the rules, within what every other promoter would have done if in the same position ... get the best you can get to cover for a missing rider.
now, if it's all a bit fishy, then tough, it's done ...
how many riders have Edinburgh sacked this season compared to Kings Lynn, and how many of those were done in 'jolly good spirit'?
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Post by Deleted on Sept 20, 2007 14:25:04 GMT
What the fuck has Edinburgh got to do with this Steve? Or is just throwing some mud around hoping it will stick elsewhere?
Maybe KL should have refrained from sacking Brundle until his replacement was set to ride? I certainly don't blame Brundle for his actions and the way the rules are in speedway it has to be said that KL haven't actually broken any rules for what they are worth anyway.
Just because "it's done" as you say doesn't mean it still can't be discussed.
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Post by stevehone on Sept 20, 2007 15:19:56 GMT
What the fuck has Edinburgh got to do with this Steve? oh sorry ML, i thought this was all about Kings Lynn sacking a rider. was under the impression Edinburgh were the masters of that this year, maybe Chapman should have sought advice from up north before doing anything. it has to be said that KL haven't actually broken any rules ah, so at least you understand that point. so, if Kings Lynn haven't broken the rules, what is there to stop others doing the same? as was mentioned somewhere else, at Rye House when Ray Morton was basically crap, he had an injury so they got a facility. i also remember him running round in the Kings Lynn pits not long after acting as mechanic, lifting all the equipment around etc. can't remember you complaining about that one. so, is all this because you just don't like Buster Chapman after his exploits at Edinburgh, or is because you feel the rules are just totally wrong? if it's the latter, i can't remember you making such a song and dance about things previously. rules are rules i suppose, and EVERY team would have used them to their advantage at one point or another, whether you like to believe otherwise or not. if every team visiting Kings Lynn wants to use Simon Lambert as a guest (as that's the track he can score points at), then that's their doing, no different to Kings Lynn (within the rules thanks to averages) using Chris Schramm. but you're more than welcome to keep discussing this all, as long as you realise it's amusing.
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