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Post by Deleted on Jul 18, 2007 5:39:26 GMT
But can you claim to be English on any official forms. Can you hell as like you have to be bloody British I'm not British I'm fucking ENGLISH Me too. In a few years it will be a CRIME to be English (if it isn't already). It must be the only country in the world where you can be called a racist for flying your national flag (BTW I'm NOT a racist, I work for an Asian company). Yes it is a crime to be English ;D ;D Sorry folks couldnae resist it .
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Post by Deleted on Jul 18, 2007 7:15:24 GMT
I find it difficult to believe some of the fucking shit that has been spouted about the great win by Team GB. Fuck me I could have won a couple of those races I'm sure fog It happens year upon year unfortunately, even if they'd come second they'd have gone down as heroes for making the play offs!!
Bring on Thursday night and Leszno, that'll sort out the men from the boys. ;D
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Post by Deleted on Jul 18, 2007 7:37:16 GMT
What interests me more is the farcical notion brought up by Mr Muis, ie that the ACU/FIM recognise the IOM and the Channel Islands (when those areas don't recognise the UK) but Ireland is a totally different place. I'm not sure that it's the case that the Crown Dependencies don't recognise the UK, they're just not part of it for historical reasons. In quite a few sports they're affiliated with the UK or English authorities, and of course the Isle of Man has a long motorcycling tradition. Not sure why Ireland kept one motorcycle federation, but I'd guess it was just down to geographical issues and a limited number of competitors. In any case, isn't road racing the most popular motorcycling discipline in Ireland, and that's mostly an Ulster thing anyway?
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Post by Deleted on Jul 18, 2007 7:59:08 GMT
The other side of this is, since the Scots, the Welsh and the Irish have their own parliaments, does the UK exist in any recognised form? The US, Canada and Australia have state parliaments, but it doesn't stop them being united countries as well. The English may try and perpetuate the idea of the United Kingdom, but the truth is the other three constituants have fought long and hard to devolve from it As our glorious leader said, the Welsh have always been fairly lukewarm about the issue, and I'm not so sure that the Scots are as in favour as people might imagine. Although much is made of the SNP 'victory', they still only got 30% of the vote, and gained power by one seat which was 'won' in dubious circumstances (missing ballot boxes and wet ballot papers). More to the point though, the silent majority are at the moment being shouted down by a bunch of loud-mouthed thinly-veiled racists. At some point though, people will see them for what they are.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 18, 2007 8:37:27 GMT
I don't post on the BSF anymore either, so I haven't seen nor am I interested in what they say... I can't actually believe there is so much fuss being made about which Team you support... I support Team GB and the Britsh riders ( especially the Coventry ones in the GP's) but thats my choice. If you support the Danes then thats your choice.. and you shouldn't feel the need to justify it either, pathetic
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Post by stevehone on Jul 18, 2007 8:59:11 GMT
with regards to patriotism, i just posted this on the BSF ...
patriotism has been ripped out of the sport anyway ... how can anyone really 'follow' a team that is only in action once or twice a year? there are no test matches like we used to have, which gave us a chance to follow England and go to different tracks to support them. now, with the world cup being the only time they race, either there has to be a meeting in England, or people have to go abroad to see their national team, which surely can't be right. so, one meeting this year in England with the English team ... really makes you feel part of it doesn't it.
and in the GP's ... the racejackets, riders used to be able to be proud of their flag on their chest, now all they get is a 2 inch block in the corner.
i used to go and support England in test matches, in world cup, and in pairs if i could, but now there is no affinity to the team whatsoever for that one meeting per year.
in my opinion, the GP circus has basically ripped the heart out of the sport when it comes to the national team, leaving no dates for any type of series and giving you the chance to support anyone.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 18, 2007 9:20:36 GMT
in my opinion, the GP circus has basically ripped the heart out of the sport when it comes to the national team The GP circus has ripped the heart out of so many aspects of speedway - test matches, prestigious open meetings... the BEL. there are no test matches like we used to have, which gave us a chance to follow England and go to different tracks to support them. now, with the world cup being the only time they race The World Cup is not really a team competition. It's an individual competition masquerading as one. I suppose it does have some value in that it's more inclusive than a team competition run on a test-match basis, but why can't we have both? The top five or six nations could arrange to ride test series against each other on a home-and-away basis over a two or three-year period. Obviously something else would have to give, but the SGP is already horribly overblown and could do with being cut back.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 18, 2007 19:24:30 GMT
Also to add to the "England" thing,i think Ken McKinlay also used to ride for England! Plus the Ireland and sport thing is complicated.Certain sportsmen from Northern Ireland represent All Ireland teams i.e the Republic.Rugby players for instance plus boxers.Wayne McCullough from Belfast won an Olympic medal for the Republic
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Post by Deleted on Jul 20, 2007 0:34:54 GMT
Not this one again. Where can't you fly your flag (except in the imagination of the Daily Mail : ? I see plenty of them flying around here, in fact there's one flying outside the local corner shop (run incidentally by Indians). And as I said I work for an Asian company. The problems lies with the (English) PC mob looking for trouble where there is none. i.e, we can't do "A" or "B" because it might offend "C". Where in my experience "C" couldn't give a fuck anyway.
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Post by stuartroad on Jul 20, 2007 9:49:21 GMT
Not this one again. Where can't you fly your flag (except in the imagination of the Daily Mail : ? I see plenty of them flying around here, in fact there's one flying outside the local corner shop (run incidentally by Indians). And as I said I work for an Asian company. The problems lies with the (English) PC mob looking for trouble where there is none. i.e, we can't do "A" or "B" because it might offend "C". Where in my experience "C" couldn't give a fuck anyway. i think thats a pretty fair assessment
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Post by Deleted on Jul 20, 2007 10:07:16 GMT
The problems lies with the (English) PC mob looking for trouble where there is none. I agree, although I don't think it's as bad a problem as people make out. I don't doubt it does happen occasionally, but most of the stories in the papers are bulls**t - where the truth is deliberately distorted for sensationalist effect, or because of some agenda or other. Having said this, I think this modern day obsession to go around hanging flags everywhere is all a bit silly. In the past, people used to raise the national flag (which was the Union Flag then) on proper flag poles only specific days (i.e. flag days), and it was far more meaningful and respectful. These days, people somehow seem to think that having a ragged, dirty George Cross hanging permanently out of their window is being patriotic. To my mind, there's also something a bit inadequate with nations that have flag fixations.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 20, 2007 10:35:16 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Jul 20, 2007 14:11:33 GMT
The Danes seem to be very fond of having their flag outside their house.Maybe it is because i travel in that border area by Germany?But there are loads of flags to be seen.Don't know why you think like that Wibblemuis,but i quite like it actually.They are normally good clean flags on a proper mounting though.Not just hung out,trapped in the window. Also recently watched a programme about giving info for germans seeking work in Denmark.One of the bits of advice was "don't fly a flag from your car/house,etc".It was said that the Danes don't like other nations flags being flown in their country.Which if true is slightly worrying
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Post by Deleted on Jul 20, 2007 16:00:50 GMT
The Danes seem to be very fond of having their flag outside their house. The Scandinavians are in general, flag fanatics. I suppose it's sort of quaint there given that their nationalism is somewhat benign, but to me it's a bit strange that people feel the need to visibly demonstrate their supposed patriotism. Excessive flag waving just doesn't seem very British to me, even if our new PM seems to be a flag-waving fanatic. They are normally good clean flags on a proper mounting though. Not just hung out,trapped in the window. I think the desecration of our flag(s) in such a manner is my real complaint. It was said that the Danes don't like other nations flags being flown in their country.Which if true is slightly worrying I don't know about the Danes, but we once wanted to fly my organisation's flag outside a conference centre in Sweden and were told it was illegal for a government-funded building to fly anything other than the Swedish flag.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 26, 2007 23:30:45 GMT
But can you claim to be English on any official forms. Can you hell as like you have to be bloody British I'm not British I'm fucking ENGLISH No you ain't your a bloody Aussie in Cardiff that was until I got you singing the British National Anthem
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