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Post by Deleted on Aug 26, 2010 19:28:44 GMT
The Great British weather.....it's supposed to be Summer. One wonders if Sky will put off the play offs due to the fact that 3rd and 4th places have not been decided, and are unlikely to be due to all of these cancellations. Can you all remember those hot sunny June July evenings when there was NO speedway? ?
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Post by Genghis on Aug 29, 2010 21:02:34 GMT
I would like to nominate Tomasz Gollob. No need for what he's doing at the moment.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 29, 2010 21:40:57 GMT
I would like to nominate Tomasz Gollob. Not to need for what he's doing at the moment. Rearrange those words to form a well known phrase . Nomination seconded. If he just kept his head, he'd have a real chance of the title, but he seems to think he has to bully and barge his way to the front.
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Post by Genghis on Aug 29, 2010 21:48:12 GMT
I would like to nominate Tomasz Gollob. Not to need for what he's doing at the moment. Rearrange those words to form a well known phrase . Ooops, see what you mean. ;D Now corrected.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 29, 2010 22:20:27 GMT
Oh I do so hope someone reasonable is choosing this.
For gods sake the world title is on the line and a couple of incidents and Gollob is all of a suddenly the antichrist.
He had a shit draw today on a shit track and had a shit gp, but he still came out of it with 10 points, a good result for him. Hopefully on return to a normal racing surface we'll see him gain his maident crown. Holta incident you can blame the ref for not doing owt about it, it was hardly a complete wipe out.
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Post by Genghis on Aug 29, 2010 22:28:58 GMT
Oh I do so hope someone reasonable is choosing this. For gods sake the world title is on the line and a couple of incidents and Gollob is all of a suddenly the antichrist. He had a shit draw today on a shit track and had a shit gp, but he still came out of it with 10 points, a good result for him. Hopefully on return to a normal racing surface we'll see him gain his maident crown. Holta incident you can blame the ref for not doing owt about it, it was hardly a complete wipe out. And the loony incident involving Emil in the last GP? And remember the same would have happened in the last GP with Rune, had Rune not moved out of the way. Gollob is riding like a desperate man, when he doesn't need to.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 29, 2010 22:45:52 GMT
Gollob is riding like a desperate man, when he doesn't need to. But Gollob is likely to end up as World Champion, just as Nicki Pedersen and Jason Crump have been in recent years, and Emil Sajfutdinov will be in the future. That desperation shows the will to win, and if you haven't got it, you won't win. I'd much prefer to watch a desperate rider than 'one of the nicest blokes you could wish to meet'......go Tomek, go !!!
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Post by Genghis on Aug 29, 2010 22:49:48 GMT
Gollob is riding like a desperate man, when he doesn't need to. But Gollob is likely to end up as World Champion, just as Nicki Pedersen and Jason Crump have been in recent years, and Emil Sajfutdinov will be in the future. That desperation shows the will to win, and if you haven't got it, you won't win. I'd much prefer to watch a desperate rider than 'one of the nicest blokes you could wish to meet'......go Tomek, go !!! So Kev, therefore you're now quite happy with Lukas Dryml's move on NKI? I'm glad we've clarified that. And Crump doesn't resort to "Gollob" tactics. Neither did Mark Loram, Greg Hancock, Billy Hamill or Tony Rickardsson. And yet there were all World Champions. Emil has the excuse of the exuberance of youth (And when did Emil actually hurt anyone?). What's Gollob's excuse??? I did want Gollob to win this year, until his move on Emil last time and his move on Holta today. Now I hope Crump beats him.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 29, 2010 23:00:34 GMT
But Gollob is likely to end up as World Champion, just as Nicki Pedersen and Jason Crump have been in recent years, and Emil Sajfutdinov will be in the future. That desperation shows the will to win, and if you haven't got it, you won't win. I'd much prefer to watch a desperate rider than 'one of the nicest blokes you could wish to meet'......go Tomek, go !!! So Kev, therefore you're now quite happy with Lukas Dryml's move on NKI? I'm glad we've clarified that. And Crump doesn't resort to "Gollob" tactics. Neither did Mark Loram, Greg Hancock, Billy Hamill or Tony Rickardsson. And yet there were all World Champions. Emil has the excuse of the exuberance of youth (And when did Emil actually hurt anyone?). What's Gollob's excuse??? I did want Gollob to win this year, until his move on Emil last time and his move on Holta today. Now I hope Crump beats him. In reference to your Dryml comment, I should have added that you do need a modicum of talent to go with the desperation. And I beg to differ when you say Crump doesn't resort to those tactics......he's pulled a few stokes in his time, even if you choose not to see them.
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Post by Genghis on Aug 29, 2010 23:05:39 GMT
So Kev, therefore you're now quite happy with Lukas Dryml's move on NKI? I'm glad we've clarified that. And Crump doesn't resort to "Gollob" tactics. Neither did Mark Loram, Greg Hancock, Billy Hamill or Tony Rickardsson. And yet there were all World Champions. Emil has the excuse of the exuberance of youth (And when did Emil actually hurt anyone?). What's Gollob's excuse??? I did want Gollob to win this year, until his move on Emil last time and his move on Holta today. Now I hope Crump beats him. In reference to your Dryml comment, I should have added that you do need a modicum of talent to go with the desperation. And I beg to differ when you say Crump doesn't resort to those tactics......he's pulled a few stokes in his time, even if you choose not to see them. Kev, it's true that Crump isn't a white knight, in fact early in his career he was a bit wild. Wasn't a popular character at Oxford at all, after he sent David Clarke flying one night. He was in the mould of young Emil. The difference is he's matured. Being a bit wild as a teenager is acceptable, still barging people around at the age of 39 like Gollob is just being a dirty bastard.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 30, 2010 7:08:56 GMT
That desperation shows the will to win, and if you haven't got it, you won't win. I'd much prefer to watch a desperate rider than 'one of the nicest blokes you could wish to meet'......go Tomek, go !!! So you think that because he's desperate to win it, it's okay to resort to dirty riding? I'm surprised at you Mr H. I'm all in favour of hard riding - I love to see all riders give it their all, but there is a difference between being hard and being dirty and he is definitely the latter. Robbo is one of the nicest guys you could ever wish to meet, but that doesn't stop him throwing it about a bit on the track - and you never see him deliberately take anyone to the fence or swipe them when passing! I do appreciate that we're talking about a difference class of rider of course, but what I'm saying is you can be a hard rider and a nice person. Gollob comes across as arrogant when interviewed and a pr*ck on the track and just doesn't seem to have any redeeming features to me.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 30, 2010 11:51:42 GMT
That desperation shows the will to win, and if you haven't got it, you won't win. I'd much prefer to watch a desperate rider than 'one of the nicest blokes you could wish to meet'......go Tomek, go !!! So you think that because he's desperate to win it, it's okay to resort to dirty riding? I'm surprised at you Mr H. I'm all in favour of hard riding - I love to see all riders give it their all, but there is a difference between being hard and being dirty and he is definitely the latter. Robbo is one of the nicest guys you could ever wish to meet, but that doesn't stop him throwing it about a bit on the track - and you never see him deliberately take anyone to the fence or swipe them when passing! I do appreciate that we're talking about a difference class of rider of course, but what I'm saying is you can be a hard rider and a nice person. Gollob comes across as arrogant when interviewed and a pr*ck on the track and just doesn't seem to have any redeeming features to me. No, no Ms M, you've misinterpreted what I mean.....there can be no excuse for dirty riding, none whatsoever !! But being able and willing to take an opportunity others may choose not to, is what separates the brilliant from the very good. I agree with what you're saying that nice guys can be hard riders, of course they can...Nicki Pedersen is an example of that actually, as indeed is Robbo!! Back to Gollob though......there is no doubt that his clash with Emil Sajfutdinov was dirty riding......it's debatable if it was deliberate or not, but it was certainly dirty. However, I didn't think anything he did in Gorican was dirty......maybe it was and I missed it, but that is my view at the moment. I'm sure you'd agree though, that any sport needs villains, be they real or perceived.......and it'll be a very sad day when Tomasz decides to quit the GP's ?
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Post by zonkers on Aug 31, 2010 20:27:17 GMT
doesn't seem to have any redeeming features to me. I dunno.....he occasionally sports a very nice 5 o'clock shadow ! ;D
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Post by Deleted on Aug 31, 2010 23:28:47 GMT
Gollob comes across as arrogant when interviewed and a pr*ck on the track and just doesn't seem to have any redeeming features to me. Any redeeming features ? Don't you like to watch exciting speedway. I've lost count of the number of passes the great man has made in the GPs this season, he provides a hell of a lot of the entertainment on track. But no let's focus on a couple of incidents in the last 2 GPs, one of which was clearly accidental, the other bordering deliberate (Holta). If you think any rider would deliberately ride into someone at the angle Gollob did to Emil, I wholeheartedly disagree. It was a mistake, one that nearly cost Gollob dearly and sadly did cost Emil. As for off track, his English is not the best - how you can make out that he's arrogant I've got no idea. I'd imagine if I was interviewed in Polish I'd make a few faux pas. Rico
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Post by Deleted on Sept 1, 2010 5:34:02 GMT
Gollob comes across as arrogant when interviewed and a pr*ck on the track and just doesn't seem to have any redeeming features to me. Any redeeming features ? Don't you like to watch exciting speedway. I've lost count of the number of passes the great man has made in the GPs this season, he provides a hell of a lot of the entertainment on track. But no let's focus on a couple of incidents in the last 2 GPs, one of which was clearly accidental, the other bordering deliberate (Holta). If you think any rider would deliberately ride into someone at the angle Gollob did to Emil, I wholeheartedly disagree. It was a mistake, one that nearly cost Gollob dearly and sadly did cost Emil. As for off track, his English is not the best - how you can make out that he's arrogant I've got no idea. I'd imagine if I was interviewed in Polish I'd make a few faux pas. Rico Yes, I do like to watch exciting speedway, but there's a difference between being on the edge of your seat with excitement and being on the edge of your seat with anxiety and I often find it's the latter when I'm watching him. We're all entitled to an opinion, and you clearly find his 'don't give a shit' attitude exciting, and I don't. I'm always waiting for the accident to happen and it often does. My opinion on him is not based purely on a couple of incidents this season, but on many incidents over many seasons. As for some of his moves being 'deliberate' then let's just say that I don't think he acts without thinking. He knows what he wants to do, and he goes out to do it without regard for what anyone else might do - does that make his actions deliberate? As for being arrogant, I've seen a fair bit of Gollob, on and off track, and have spoken to people very close to him, and he's as single minded as they come, and that comes across when dealing with him. It has nothing to do with his limited ability to speak English. As I say, we're all entitled to our opinion, and the world would be a boring place if we all thought the same eh
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