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Post by zonkers on Feb 4, 2010 14:11:43 GMT
ROYNON HEARTACHE
PETERBOROUGH have vowed to fight a decision that threatens to wreck Adam Roynon’s comeback dream.
The British Speedway Promoters’ Association Management Committee have turned down the Readypower Panthers new look line-up.
They have ruled that youngster Roynon cannot double-up between the Panthers and Workington because he didn’t race in the Premier League last season.
The only reason he was ruled out was because he suffered serious head and neck injuries at a pre-season Great Britain training camp.
He spent a week on a life support machine at Addenbrook’s Hospital, Cambridge, and underwent surgery to stabilise his broken neck.
Roynon, 21, spent weeks in hospital and then months in a protective metal halo after being discharged to continue his recovery at his Barrow-in-Furness home.
He wasn’t given the go-ahead to start practising again until the final weeks of the season – too late to reclaim his Workington team place.
Peterborough Director of Speedway Peter Oakes said: “We feel it would be inappropriate to comment on the decision at the moment.
“We will pursue every possible avenue to have the decision reversed.”
*RELEASE DATE: Thursday 04 February 2010 *
(From Panthers site)
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Post by zonkers on Feb 6, 2010 10:35:59 GMT
Adam's Facebook status...... " ..I'm so disappointed in the BSPA is unreal! what are they trying to achieve?? Makes you wonder about the whole sport!! hope it can get resolved quickly though.." And one of his comments, in amongst the many....... "I just really dont get why its took so long for them to come up with this! Some clubs must be running scared of how strong we are and how we'll smoke the league!! They need to sort it out, i'd love to be with the likes of Tai in the GB team and help us through to a world cup final and then win it..but that aint going to happen unless i can double up and do some serious riding to catch up on lost time"I feel really sorry for him - although he seems to be taking it rather well..... Not a swear word in sight ! I really hope they can get the BSPA to change their mind. For his sake. He missed all of last season due to injury and just wants to get on and progress in his riding career....seems so unfair.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 6, 2010 13:40:54 GMT
I feel really sorry for him - although he seems to be taking it rather well..... Not a swear word in sight ! I really hope they can get the BSPA to change their mind. For his sake. He missed all of last season due to injury and just wants to get on and progress in his riding career....seems so unfair. I totally agree, but the problem here is the rule book, and not the Management Committee. The MC have applied the rule, as they have a duty to do.....if they'd have applied 'special dispensation' they would have come in for more criticism. Two things are wrong in this case........the Rule, which should take account of circumstances similar to Adam's and the Peterborough management for not realising this was in breach of the rules and seeking clarification before signing the rider and releasing news to the fans. Trevor Swales has demonstrated before that he is not the most astute team manager where the rule book is concerned, and the addition of Peter Oakes doesn't seem to have improved things. If I was Rik Frost I'd be more than a little concerned at how this has been allowed to happen !!
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Post by Deleted on Feb 6, 2010 18:48:19 GMT
Well it would appear that Peterboro are not alone, if Shawn is to be believed, and regarding the rules, he is usually spot on quite frankly:
taken from BSF:
The problem for Kyle Legault and Adam Roynon is rule 17.4.5
If we assume 2008 now becomes 2009, Adam and Kyle don't have 2009 PL CMAs, the bit in red but then neither does Ricky Ashworth. If Adam and Kyle cannot double up, neither can Ricky.
And the bit in blue suggests that Steve Boxall cannot be Swindon number 8 because he doesn't have a 2009 PL CMA.
Again, if the rules have not changed, thats wrong. again, assume 2007 is now 2008 and 2008 is now 2009. Leigh has a 2008 EL CMA and a 2009 PL CMA so the 2008 EL CMA applies.
Also, as Leon Madsen is being allowed to keep the average he had in the 2009 EL season, why does Leigh get to change his? The whole arguement for the Madsen 4 rather than 5 is that he come in on that average in 2009 and it would be unfair to change it in 2010 but they've done exactly that for Leigh Lanham, so why not for Leon Madsen?
Lanham CAN double up, he has 2009 PL CMA under 8 but he rides in the EL on 5.08. Krys Buzkowski is a 4. Leon Madsen is a 5. Ashworth, Roynon, Legault and Boxall are not eligible to double up or ride as number 8s. All assuming the same rules apply in 2010 as they did in 2009. The rules are quite clear on all these things with the possible exception of Ricky Ashworth as they may be claiming that his final 2009 PL CMA includes the GB discount that's not actually explicitly mentioned in the rulebook*.
*rule 17.1.1 The BSPA are responsible for the production and circulation of CMA Lists (Green Sheets), for all Teams/Riders in EL, PL & NL Competitions. Final Green Sheets (excluding Bonus Points and other allowances as approved by the BSPA AGM) shall form the basis for the new Season and remain effective for Team Building, Team Positioning, Facilities, Eligibility for Heat 15 etc. until an updated CMA becomes effective.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 7, 2010 8:40:53 GMT
"I just really dont get why it's took so long for them to come up with this" "Two things are wrong in this case........the Rule, which should take account of circumstances similar to Adam's and the Peterborough management for not realising this was in breach of the rules and seeking clarification before signing the rider and releasing news to the fans. Trevor Swales has demonstrated before that he is not the most astute team manager where the rule book is concerned, and the addition of Peter Oakes doesn't seem to have improved things. If I was Rik Frost I'd be more than a little concerned at how this has been allowed to happen !! " Good points
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Post by Deleted on Feb 7, 2010 10:54:34 GMT
Ricky is allowed to D/U for us on account of his reduction in his final average.
My god those rules were complicated.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 8, 2010 10:48:38 GMT
"I just really dont get why it's took so long for them to come up with this" The MC rule only when the club declares the 1 to 8 to the BSPA, so the delay is the clubs.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 11, 2010 1:00:32 GMT
My god those rules were complicated. Some people make the rules complicated. I understood them ;D As I posted on the BSF: I will no doubt be in the minority here but I can't understand all this hoo ha about Adam Roynon and Steve Boxall.
For different reasons they both didn't achieve PL averages and in Adam's case in a very cruel way, but the rules state you can't double up without a PL average. The scenario of people wanting the goal posts moved to accommodate these riders smacks of hypocrasy (sp) when many on forums have a go at the BSPA/MC if they have done similar in the past for other situations.
People can't have it both ways.
It's not always the fault of the BSPA/MC. It's common practise for clubs to announce "teams" before they actually submit them to the BSPA/MC. It's then that any discrepancies are usually picked up and that's what causes the problem. Plenty promotions submit teams only for them to be amended because some promotions do not understand the rules.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 11, 2010 11:07:00 GMT
My god those rules were complicated. Some people make the rules complicated. I understood them ;D As I posted on the BSF: I will no doubt be in the minority here but I can't understand all this hoo ha about Adam Roynon and Steve Boxall.
For different reasons they both didn't achieve PL averages and in Adam's case in a very cruel way, but the rules state you can't double up without a PL average. The scenario of people wanting the goal posts moved to accommodate these riders smacks of hypocrasy (sp) when many on forums have a go at the BSPA/MC if they have done similar in the past for other situations.
People can't have it both ways.
It's not always the fault of the BSPA/MC. It's common practise for clubs to announce "teams" before they actually submit them to the BSPA/MC. It's then that any discrepancies are usually picked up and that's what causes the problem. Plenty promotions submit teams only for them to be amended because some promotions do not understand the rules.You make some good points A lot of the teams promoters and managers do not fully understand the rules and regulations concerning the make up of teams. The problem comes from the BSPA MC's inconsistency, most people understand that Roynan and Legault and indeed Boxall cannot double up or be no 8's because none of them have 2009 PL GSA, but then Boxall, Phil Morris and Tomasz Piszcz all doubled up in 2009 when none of them had 2008 PL GSA. Its this kind of crap which annoys people and doesnt show the MC as an unbiased and fair minded body. Of course it also leaves them wide open for allegations of biased attitudes towards certain clubs. The real problem as I see it is the current rule book which is in desperate need of an overhaul to close the many loopholes and make it sensible and understandable to intepret fairly.
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Post by zonkers on Mar 2, 2010 19:40:38 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Mar 3, 2010 11:00:35 GMT
It was never going to happen Zonkers so why anyone should be surprised is beyond me. Its also got nothing to do with the SCB, the BSPA MC have the say on team declarations and they said no because of rule 17.4.5 It appears Boxall is being allowed as Swindons no 8 I am told because of a application to re assess his average at the last AGM. Quite why that makes any difference is anyones guess as he still doesnt comply with rule 17.4.5 I am afraid despite the change to the MC its still apparent that not all clubs operate under the same rules, until thats sorted British Speedway will continue to lurch from one disaster to another and no one will take the sport seriously.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 3, 2010 16:10:13 GMT
Am I the only one that is surprised that Adam Roynon having suffered such serious and life threatening injuries last season would even want to take on 2 leagues in his comeback.
I feel he would be better to concentrate on riding in the PL and getting back to full fitness first before taking on the EL.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 3, 2010 16:57:06 GMT
Am I the only one that is surprised that Adam Roynon having suffered such serious and life threatening injuries last season would even want to take on 2 leagues in his comeback. I feel he would be better to concentrate on riding in the PL and getting back to full fitness first before taking on the EL. Couldn't agree with you more ML... I don't think that young Adam would have done himself justice had he ridden EL for Panthers in 2010.. There's always 2011 for him to step up into the EL..
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Post by zonkers on Mar 3, 2010 18:04:24 GMT
Its also got nothing to do with the SCB, the BSPA MC have the say on team declarations and they said no because of rule 17.4.5 It appears Boxall is being allowed as Swindons no 8 I am told because of a application to re assess his average at the last AGM. Quite why that makes any difference is anyones guess as he still doesnt comply with rule 17.4.5 Can you remind us exactly what that rule is please?
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Post by Deleted on Mar 3, 2010 19:21:36 GMT
17.4.5 Elite League A Team’s Declaration (see also SR 13.1.4) must not exceed 39.90 points nor when re-declared (permanent or temporary), except that a Team may exceed this limit if the CMA of the introduced Rider is equal to, or lower than the Rider being replaced. An SR may be issued regarding the maximum Points Limit that will apply when a Team is subject to the new 2009 CMA’s. A Declared Line-Up may include a pair of “Doubling-Up Riders” and a #8, both of whom at the at the time of (re)declaration must be in a Premier League Declared 1 – 7. In the case of the Doubling-Up Riders, both must have a final 2008 PL CMA of 8.00 or less and the CMA of #8 must not exceed that of the lowest declared Rider (by CMA) and in any case must have a final 2008 PL CMA of 9.00 or less.
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