Deleted
Deleted Member
Posts: 0
|
Post by Deleted on Jan 23, 2010 16:39:21 GMT
As things stand, there are 16 riders set to make their official debut in Britain this season. Seven Australians, one Dane, one Hungarian, two New Zealanders, two Poles, one Slovenian, one Swede and just one Englishman!!!
Are the British youngsters not up to standard, not interested in a speedway career or too expensive...........or is there something I've missed?
|
|
Deleted
Deleted Member
Posts: 0
|
Post by Deleted on Jan 25, 2010 21:26:14 GMT
As things stand, there are 16 riders set to make their official debut in Britain this season. Seven Australians, one Dane, one Hungarian, two New Zealanders, two Poles, one Slovenian, one Swede and just one Englishman!!! Are the British youngsters not up to standard, not interested in a speedway career or too expensive...........or is there something I've missed? I'd hazard a guess at track time and cost Kev. Some of these kids have got wealthy parents, some haven't but neither set of youngsters get enough track time to hone their craft. Most of them are lucky to get 2 races in after an EL or PL Meeting when the track is utter shite. I don't know what can be done to rectify the situation, leave that the people whose JOB it is. |
|
Deleted
Deleted Member
Posts: 0
|
Post by Deleted on Jan 25, 2010 23:35:18 GMT
I don't know what can be done to rectify the situation, leave that the people whose JOB it is. You raise an interesting point there youngy........is it actually anyone's job to support and encourage Britain's youngsters? There was much hype about Jan O Pedersen taking on such a role a few years ago, but nothing seemed to materialize from that. We've actually had many schemes announced over the years and nothing seems to have come of any of them to be honest!!! It's my opinion the BSPA need to do something, and need to do it fast...........but the question is.........what? Has anyone got any suggestions? |
|
|
|
Post by admin on Jan 25, 2010 23:58:04 GMT
You really need some form of "scholarship" type of package and ship the brightest and the best over to Poland to get some decent track time and coaching.
Being realistic, Britain's only genuine prospect was raised in Australia.
|
|
Deleted
Deleted Member
Posts: 0
|
Post by Deleted on Jan 26, 2010 0:17:10 GMT
You really need some form of "scholarship" type of package and ship the brightest and the best over to Poland to get some decent track time and coaching. Being realistic, Britain's only genuine prospect was raised in Australia. I'm not sure I subscribe to the 'everything Polska is perfect' line. Let's look at the facts........how many World Champions have the Poles supplied over the years? Your argument may have more weight if you proposed to ship the brightest and the best over the North Sea to Denmark, to be fair.  Peter Collins learnt his trade within these shores and went on to become the very best..........surely others can follow in his tyre tracks? |
|
|
|
Post by admin on Jan 26, 2010 7:33:05 GMT
How many world junior champions have the Poles supplied over the years? More especially, over recent years? And you could add Sajfutdinov to the list, since he has been largely schooled in Poland. To be sure, they seem to lose their way (Sajfutdinov, being a Russian, with Russian traits, may not), but all the evidence suggests that the Poles get it right early on and that's what we're talking about here.
|
|
Deleted
Deleted Member
Posts: 0
|
Post by Deleted on Jan 26, 2010 12:40:35 GMT
How many world junior champions have the Poles supplied over the years? More especially, over recent years? And you could add Sajfutdinov to the list, since he has been largely schooled in Poland. . 1996 Piotr Protasiewicz 1998 Robert Dados 2001 Dawid Kujawa 2003 Jaroslaw Hampel 2004 Robert Miskowiak 2005 Krzystof Kasprzak 2006 Karol Zabik and including Emil you can add in 2007 Emil Sajfutdinov 2008 Emil Sajfutdinov 2009 if he could have been bothered I'm sure Emil would have won it again Add in the Polish U21 team winning the team World Cup 2005,2006,2007,2008,2009 (each year since it began). The Poles place a huge importance on the development of youngsters as they are protected in a reserve berth up until they are 21. A very valuable commodity. The investment made by (for example) Bydgoszcz in Emil Sajfutdinov, on the recommendation of AJ, has given them an advantage ahead of other teams. However, the cost of having a very expensive reserve impacts on the teams ability to pay top dollar further up the team. It seems once a rider is out of that comfort zone not all manage to reach the heights their talent has previously indicated, something that should be addressed. Rico  |
|
|
|
Post by Genghis on Jan 26, 2010 12:57:57 GMT
Subedei & Rico, if you're claiming Sajfutdinov for Poland, then I'm claiming Jason Crump, Leigh Adams and Darcy Ward all for Great Britain. And however you try to distort the facts, the FACT is that there have been four British indiviudual World Champions (Collins, Lee, Havelock & Loram) since the last and only Polish individual World Champion (Jerzy Szczakiel) way, way, way back in 1973 when Genghis was a mere few months old. None of the current Poles have managed to emulate Szczakiel. |
|
Deleted
Deleted Member
Posts: 0
|
Post by Deleted on Jan 26, 2010 14:07:14 GMT
Subedei & Rico, if you're claiming Sajfutdinov for Poland, then I'm claiming Jason Crump, Leigh Adams and Darcy Ward all for Great Britain. And however you try to distort the facts, the FACT is that there have been four British indiviudual World Champions (Collins, Lee, Havelock & Loram) since the last and only Polish individual World Champion (Jerzy Szczakiel) way, way, way back in 1973 when Genghis was a mere few months old. None of the current Poles have managed to emulate Szczakiel. Woah hold your horses Pan Genghis. I merely presented the information that Sub requested. No distorting of facts coming from me on this topic, which I believe was to do with riders progression through the ranks, something Poland seem to fail miserably with given the plethora of junior talent they seem to farm. Since Poland now only require 1 Polish junior per team I envisage their conveyor belt will slow down a little, although talent will emerge. One has to ask how Australia, with no league structure to write home about, is able to produce the current amount of youngsters they are. What are they doing that is not being done here. I'm guessing it's to do with starting off on smaller machines and progressing through the ranks there, whereas here it seems to be the ethos of throwing the kids onto a 500cc as soon as they are able to reach the handlebars and hope for the best. That particular tactic doesn't seem to be paying much dividend at the moment. Also, in defence of the British youngsters we are making it far too easy for foreign riders to come here and learn their trade, with a number of Aussies coming in on 3.00 and 5.00 averages this season. Given the lack of progression from the NL and PL upwards of British riders I suggest the situation needs to be reviewed, and quickly. It doesn't help when you see the likes of Robert Mear, who has made great strides in the last couple of seasons sat out on the sidelines for the year. I'm sure there are reasons behind that, however it's not good regardless. Rico |
|
|
|
Post by schumi on Jan 26, 2010 15:10:35 GMT
As things stand, there are 16 riders set to make their official debut in Britain this season. Seven Australians, one Dane, one Hungarian, two New Zealanders, two Poles, one Slovenian, one Swede and just one Englishman!!! Are the British youngsters not up to standard, not interested in a speedway career or too expensive...........or is there something I've missed? It's not just here. This is the current breakdown of rider's nationalities in the Swedish Elitserien: Poland..27 Sweden..23 Australia..11 Denmark..10 England..6 Russia..4 Finland..1 Croatia..1 Latvia..1 Slovakia..1 USA..1 I realise you're talking about debutants, but thought it was relevant to the thread. |
|
|
|
Post by schumi on Jan 26, 2010 15:13:57 GMT
And Zorro's take on his home league:
Grand Prix rider Magnus Zetterstrom has called on Swedish clubs to develop more home-grown youngsters, rather than bring in new talent from abroad.
The Swedes have produced some very promising riders over the past seven years with Freddie Lindgren, Antonio Lindback and Jonas Davidsson all rising into the national team.
But Zetterstrom questions who will follow these stars on to the world stage as only 23 Swedes are signed up with Elitserien clubs for 2010, compared to 27 riders from Poland.
Swedish teams have struggled financially in recent years, with the likes of Masarna and Eskilstuna dropping out of the top flight. Zetterstrom feels this has hurt the nation’s youth development.
But the 38-year-old feels the situation will not improve if clubs continue to pick overseas stars over native riders.
He told ekuriren.se: “I see no advantage in bringing in unknown foreigners at the expense of our own skilled talent. The clubs have to care about their product.
”The whole system has collapsed. Clubs are on their knees economically and can not afford to develop riders. Therefore they take the foreign riders who are not so much better than the Swedes, who may have to step aside because it is a cheaper alternative.”
Zetterstrom admits preventing the likes of Stockholm-based American legend Greg Hancock and world champion Jason Crump from riding in Sweden would hurt attendances and interest in the Elitserien.
But he believes governing body SVEMO must come up with a system that allows the shale sport’s leading lights to race in a strong league that also develops Swedish youngsters.
He added: ”If clubs and SVEMO jointly develop a strategy for restrictions on foreign riders, it could be implemented.
”By that I do not mean that we should stop foreign riders. The best ones are the crowd magnets and are necessary for the sport.
"On the other hand, I think all clubs and the union must work purposefully to develop Swedish adolescents and avoid the unknown foreigners in our Elitserien.”
speedwaygp.com
|
|
Deleted
Deleted Member
Posts: 0
|
Post by Deleted on Jan 26, 2010 16:02:38 GMT
Actually, I was quite impressed with the Swedish system for kids. You can elect to go to a speedway school and learn to ride speedway alongside the regular curriculum. There's at least one school I know of, in Hultsfred.
|
|
