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Post by Deleted on Jul 26, 2009 23:39:29 GMT
www.planet-f1.com/story/0,18954,3213_5454751,00.html The stewards overreact to recent events by suspending Renault from Valencia for Alonso's tyre incident. Ouch! A very harsh penalty. Has that ever been done before? Given the incidents over the last couple of weekends in open wheel racing, you can kind of understand why they want to clamp down on such things, but it does seem like a knee-jerk over-reaction.
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Post by schumi on Jul 27, 2009 9:12:24 GMT
Amazingly, I find myself agreeing with genghis. Eddie Jordan uses his previous involvement in the sport to make claims he thinks should be treated as gospel, but are usually way off the mark. Ouch! A very harsh penalty. Has that ever been done before? Given the incidents over the last couple of weekends in open wheel racing, you can kind of understand why they want to clamp down on such things, but it does seem like a knee-jerk over-reaction. There was the incident in Australia in 2001 where a marshall was killed by a flying tyre, and also the year previous, a similar incident, again with a tyre that had become detached after a crash on track. This led to the introduction of tyre tethers, but no penalties for the teams, although the drivers involved in the crashes were investigated at the inquest, where representatives of all parties claimed that the unfortunate death had resulted from a freak occurence rather than any premeditated or negligent action. This is important when we look at the penalty imposed on Renault, because the stewards are saying they willfully let the car go knowing there was a problem with it. And we know that's true, because the guy who was fitting the tyre at the pitstop was still doing his job, and hadn't raised a hand to indicate he'd finished. The lollipop man however, jumped (I think there was a car coming down the pit lane at the time) and released Alonso before he should have. Whatever the case, Renault have formally lodged an appeal against the stewards' decision to suspend them from the next GP in a month's time.
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Post by Genghis on Jul 27, 2009 11:35:48 GMT
Amazingly, I find myself agreeing with genghis. Eddie Jordan uses his previous involvement in the sport to make claims he thinks should be treated as gospel, but are usually way off the mark. This won't do - we're not supposed to agree on the F1 threads. I know, this will get us disagreeing again ... what did you think of Lewis Hamilton's performance yesterday?. I think it was an absolute stonking drive, on a par with Alonso's couple of wins last year. It's one thing to win races in the best car, but McLaren is still far, far from the best car. Absoutely superb stuff from Hamilton. Do you agree Schumi?
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Post by schumi on Jul 27, 2009 11:53:28 GMT
Can't say I noticed him, to be honest. But talking of the race, don't you think that was one of the most boring ever? If it hadn't been for Alonso's tyre and Red Bull having the most dire pit stops, I think I would have fallen asleep. Good news on Massa today, from Planet F1: Felipe Massa's condition is improving and the Ferrari driver is now able to move his hands and legs, it has been reported.
According to a report issued by Reuters on Monday morning, Massa is 'waking up from sedation more and more frequently.'
The Brazilian, who underwent emergency surgery on Saturday night to repair two fractures of his skull, will remain in Budapest's military hospital but doctors are 'reassured' by the progress he is making.
"He's woken up more and more often now and he's able to communicate actively, that is, he reacts when he's talked to. We are optimistic, in our hope a slow recovery is beginning," spokesman Istvan Bocskai told Hungarian television.
Ferrari president Luca di Montezemolo is also due to visit the 28-year-old Brazilian, who is expected to be out for at least six weeks even if he makes a full recovery.
A Ferrari spokesman said: "Felipe had a quiet night. He is okay, and he is due to have another CT scan today."
Doctors at the hospital were encouraged by the positive results of Sunday's first CT scan following surgery, with the hope Massa continues to show steady improvementHe's expected to be out for at least six weeks, although I suspect it could be longer, depending on his recovery. Talk in the paddock that Schumacher could make a comeback until Massa is better has been quashed by his manager, Willi Weber. In any case, Ferrari's test drivers are Luca Badoer and Marc Gene - I'd expect one of them to come in, although both are as bad as each other.
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Post by Genghis on Jul 27, 2009 12:18:49 GMT
Ferrari's test drivers are Luca Badoer and Marc Gene - I'd expect one of them to come in, although both are as bad as each other. Schumi, Ferrari could always bring in Jacques Villeneuve.
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Post by admin on Jul 27, 2009 12:21:26 GMT
Ouch! A very harsh penalty. Has that ever been done before? I think it is more to do with Flav being one of the leaders of the proposed FOTA breakaway. Considering that Renault were found to have McLaren intellectual property imbedded in their car (rumour holds that it's still there) at the time McLaren were being hammered over "Spygate", this does seem to be a bit of an over-reaction. Anyway, assuming Renault's appeal fails, rumour holds that Alonso may replace Massa for the Italian kings of comedy for the race Renault are suspended. And that would surely be too much for our Ferrari-loving First Lady to take.
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Post by Genghis on Jul 27, 2009 12:57:59 GMT
Ouch! A very harsh penalty. Has that ever been done before? I think it is more to do with Flav being one of the leaders of the proposed FOTA breakaway. Considering that Renault were found to have McLaren intellectual property imbedded in their car (rumour holds that it's still there) at the time McLaren were being hammered over "Spygate", this does seem to be a bit of an over-reaction. Anyway, assuming Renault's appeal fails, rumour holds that Alonso may replace Massa for the Italian kings of comedy for the race Renault are suspended. And that would surely be too much for our Ferrari-loving First Lady to take. Alonso's going to end up driving for Ferrari sooner or later. Might as well be sooner.
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Post by schumi on Jul 27, 2009 13:58:31 GMT
It wouldn't be allowed, anyway.
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Post by Genghis on Jul 27, 2009 14:54:22 GMT
It wouldn't be allowed, anyway. I dunno. There's been some pretty strange race-by-race arrangements in the past - Mansell at Williams in 1994 for example.
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