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Post by schumi on Jun 30, 2009 20:14:46 GMT
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Post by Genghis on Jun 30, 2009 20:48:50 GMT
Schumi, surely he can't be worse than Kimi, who was once a fantastic driver, but lost interest as soon as he won his World Title. I'm surprised you don't like Alonso more - he's very much in the Schumacher mould. |
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Post by schumi on Jun 30, 2009 20:57:03 GMT
I'm surprised you don't like Alonso more - he's very much in the Schumacher mould. How so? |
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Post by Genghis on Jun 30, 2009 21:02:56 GMT
I'm surprised you don't like Alonso more - he's very much in the Schumacher mould. How so? Schumi - he just reminds me of Schumacher. Both Schumacher and Alonso won their first two World Championships with the same team, they are both very talented drivers but that will to win sometimes means they overstep the mark, neither like to have a competitive team-mate, and both often depend on guile to win races instead of being flat-out racers such as, say, Senna, Mansell or Hamilton. |
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Post by schumi on Jul 1, 2009 14:04:11 GMT
Didn't mean to take so long to reply, but I'm still getting over the shock of you putting the dreary Mansell and Hamilton in the same bracket as Senna. There's only one man who compares to Senna, and that is Schumacher (and you know I'd argue that should be the other way round - Senna is [almost] in the same bracket as the Schum.) Can't agree with your comparisons to Alonso either - Schumacher is very like Nicki P; they both have that cheeky smile when provoking a reaction. You know neither of them mean it to be taken seriously, and have a light-hearted outlook. Alonso is just a miserable git.  I have no problems with Vettel being in the Ferrari - he's a future world champion, for sure. But the question is: why would he want to change when Red Bull are fighting for the constructors and Ferrari are having their worst season this decade? And I think you do Kimi an injustice. He's never lost interest - it was never there in the first place. Even in 2007 when he won it he was pretty apathetic, and only lucked into the title because Lewis couldn't take the pressure.  |
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Post by Genghis on Jul 1, 2009 15:34:00 GMT
Didn't mean to take so long to reply, but I'm still getting over the shock of you putting the dreary Mansell and Hamilton in the same bracket as Senna. There's only one man who compares to Senna, and that is Schumacher (and you know I'd argue that should be the other way round - Senna is [almost] in the same bracket as the Schum.) Can't agree with your comparisons to Alonso either - Schumacher is very like Nicki P; they both have that cheeky smile when provoking a reaction. You know neither of them mean it to be taken seriously, and have a light-hearted outlook. Alonso is just a miserable git. I have no problems with Vettel being in the Ferrari - he's a future world champion, for sure. But the question is: why would he want to change when Red Bull are fighting for the constructors and Ferrari are having their worst season this decade? And I think you do Kimi an injustice. He's never lost interest - it was never there in the first place. Even in 2007 when he won it he was pretty apathetic, and only lucked into the title because Lewis couldn't take the pressure. Schumi, on the contrary, King Kimi was the best driver from 2003 to 2007, he put in some mega drives during this time. Wasn't there a race in Japan where he came from 17th on the grid and won it - that was absolutely outstanding. And Lewis could take the pressure - it was the McLaren team who blew it, not changing his tyres sooner in China. Senna and Schumacher were both greats, but not quite the same type of driver. Senna never played the percentages - he drove to win every race. And Schumacher was only jovial when he was winning - he was probably even a sore loser than Alonso. I get the idea that Alonso has based himself on Schumacher. |
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Post by schumi on Jul 1, 2009 15:59:34 GMT
Schumi, on the contrary, King Kimi was the best driver from 2003 to 2007, he put in some mega drives during this time. Wasn't there a race in Japan where he came from 17th on the grid and won it - that was absolutely outstanding. And Lewis could take the pressure - it was the McLaren team who blew it, not changing his tyres sooner in China. Forgive me for stating the obvious, but if he was the best driver over those five years, how come he only won the world championship once?  He may have had one or two good races - the mood obviously took him on those particular days - but when talking about his future he's always been non-committal. While you're making comparisons, he's a little like Ronnie O'Sullivan, although only in attitude. When things are going well he looks unbeatable, but still isn't happy overall, and always seems on the verge of quitting. And Lewis did throw it away - who made the final call to stay out on those tyres? And aside from China, he was still leading going into the final GP. |
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Post by Genghis on Jul 1, 2009 17:35:07 GMT
Schumi, on the contrary, King Kimi was the best driver from 2003 to 2007, he put in some mega drives during this time. Wasn't there a race in Japan where he came from 17th on the grid and won it - that was absolutely outstanding. And Lewis could take the pressure - it was the McLaren team who blew it, not changing his tyres sooner in China. Forgive me for stating the obvious, but if he was the best driver over those five years, how come he only won the world championship once? He may have had one or two good races - the mood obviously took him on those particular days - but when talking about his future he's always been non-committal. While you're making comparisons, he's a little like Ronnie O'Sullivan, although only in attitude. When things are going well he looks unbeatable, but still isn't happy overall, and always seems on the verge of quitting. And Lewis did throw it away - who made the final call to stay out on those tyres? And aside from China, he was still leading going into the final GP. But some numpty in the McLaren garage (and there are plenty of those) decided to throw the car into neutral during the race.   And regarding the tyres, Lewis was a rookie, so the team should have made the decision. Basically Whitmarsh made one of his periodical howlers. As for Kimi, reliability cost him both the 2003 & 2005 World Championships. Schumacher was a lucky bugger in 2003, both Raikkonen & Montoya outdrove him that year, but Schumacher had only one non-finish (after he crashed it in Brazil) whilst the other two had some very costly retirements - sometimes whilst leading the race (Kimi whilst leading the British GP (?) springs to mind). |
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Post by schumi on Jul 1, 2009 17:54:28 GMT
A lucky bugger?  Yes, Schumacher had only one retirement to Raikkonen's three, but he also won SIX races compared to Raikkonen's ONE. |
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Post by Genghis on Jul 1, 2009 18:32:37 GMT
A lucky bugger? Yes, Schumacher had only one retirement to Raikkonen's three, but he also won SIX races compared to Raikkonen's ONE. And won the championship by TWO points. Now what would have happened had Raikkonen not come to a halt whilst leading the British GP? And Montoya finished just 11 points behind Schumacher despite TWO retirements whilst leading races and a dubious stop-go penalty in the US after Barichello ran into him. The third best driver won the championship that season due to Ferrari's better reliability and a complete U-turn in the regulations after Schumacher got lapped in, I think, Hungary. |
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Post by schumi on Jul 1, 2009 20:42:19 GMT
All academic. The best man won.
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Post by Genghis on Jul 1, 2009 20:45:59 GMT
All academic. The best man won. Schumi, I hope you're not talking about 1997. |
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Post by schumi on Jul 1, 2009 20:47:30 GMT
You have to have the last word, don't you? |
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Post by Genghis on Jul 1, 2009 20:51:45 GMT
You have to have the last word, don't you? Well since I'm typing this response, it would appear so. |
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Post by schumi on Jul 1, 2009 20:56:20 GMT
You have reached the highest echelons of git status. So much so I considered locking the thread after my post. ;D ;D |
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Yes, Schumacher had only one retirement to Raikkonen's three, but he also won SIX races compared to Raikkonen's ONE.