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Post by Deleted on May 29, 2009 11:56:44 GMT
The only part of west hams comments that the press are quoting and interested in, is the bit about Poole's possible cheating, and it was always obvious that this would be the case. As for supporters/customers being treated with respect, thats absolute bollocks, most supporters just want to win and it would appear at any cost, given the final say in a dodgy move to improve their side 95% would countenance the move Hatcham The GREATEST, nope it's gone too far this time. The administration of the sport needs a good kick up the arse; my hope is that the result of any enquiry would be the formation of an indepent ruling body, something that is long overdue. I would love to see an independent body run speedway, but even one of your "indepent" ones would surely be an improvement. You can criticize me for many things old chap, but not my cleanliness, i am fastidious over hygiene.
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Post by Deleted on May 29, 2009 13:46:34 GMT
Fuming yes, because the selfish actions of the west ham pair could have serious effects on the speedway gambling market and that would affect me greatly. What a ridiculous statement. The way I read that is that you'd be happy for cheating to continue in the sport so you can carry on gambling. Well, I'm not a gambler, but if I were, I would ensure my money was hingeing on sports which uphold tradiitional values and integrity. Only the blind can't see that is what Messrs Cook and Douglas are trying to ensure speedway remains.......but as this is an open forum continue your vendetta, but be aware you are making yourself look very silly too.
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Post by Deleted on May 29, 2009 14:06:55 GMT
I can only assume that Hatcham has a large sum of money on a south coast side this season and is fighting desperately to cling onto the hope he will see a return...
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Post by admin on May 29, 2009 17:41:14 GMT
And Belle Vue join the clamour for change: BelleVue promoters have backed a call by Lakeside speedway for a complete overhaul into the way speedway is being run (see www.lakesidehammers.com for the full statement). David Gordon, Belle Vue's managing director, commented: “It's a sad day that the way speedway is run has come to this. But it needs to be looked at, just like what has been happening over MP's expenses needs to be looked at. “We need to start over again with the sport being run by an independent body which will bring in the transparency and trust which is so essential to any business or sport. They are everything. “I want decisions affecting our business at Belle Vue to be made by an independent adjudicator and not by the rule makers who are also promoters. “There has been a call for an extraordinary general meeting and I think it is the only way to deal with this situation. “It should not have come to this position but the problem has been caused by inconsistent BSPA management decisions. “We must have fair play. We want the best and most successful team possible but not if it means manipulating rules. Manipulating the rules is not smart management.” Co-promoter and team manager Chris Morton said: “I've felt for a long time, even when I was still riding, that the Speedway Control Board didn't control the sport in the way they should and that they were dictated to by the promoters. “Some of the decisions that have to be made should be made by adjudicators who are independent of the clubs. It's difficult sometimes to make decisions which affect your own team because there can be an unacceptable conflict of interests. “There are the people around speedway who could act in an independent way. We should be concentrating on racing on the track, not what is happening off it. “But now allegations have been made, they must be looked at.” Gordon Pairman, the Aces' finance director, said: “I have read the press release from Lakeside with interest and share many of their concerns. We should be competing on the track, not via the rule book or perhaps the cheque book. “There is no doubt that recent team changes have caused significant disquiet amongst supporters and many promoters. “In a year when many teams, like many of their supporters, are fighting for financial survival, it saddens me that a win at all costs mentality still seems to exist, especially as so doing acts to the detriment of many teams. “This is a tough enough year without us having to deal with questions about integrity and fairness, and I would be happy if matters were looked at by an independent party which would ensure that we can recover credibility. “Having said that, any enquiry has to be fast and open to ensure that we can all get back to running our teams without constantly wondering if actions of others will jeopardise our businesses.”
Official Press Release Richard Frost Taken from: www.belle-vue-speedway.co.uk
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Post by Deleted on May 29, 2009 18:13:43 GMT
That might be your opinion and of course your fully entitled to it, but in reality without the new 'followers' that the betting market brings, speedway has very little future in this country. The sport in itself is just not popular enough. And do any of them actually go to a match.... the only reason speedway is popular is that the bookies are clueless, that wont last one way or another. Betting is a mugs game at best, as its ruled by the bookmakers and the professional gamblers who pay for info or rig the game.
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Post by Deleted on May 29, 2009 18:30:09 GMT
That might be your opinion and of course your fully entitled to it, but in reality without the new 'followers' that the betting market brings, speedway has very little future in this country. The sport in itself is just not popular enough. And do any of them actually go to a match.... the only reason speedway is popular is that the bookies are clueless, that wont last one way or another. Betting is a mugs game at best, as its ruled by the bookmakers and the professional gamblers who pay for info or rig the game. AB, hope you dont mind me calling you AB, but i'm too thick to spell your name, if you dont like gambling, fine, no problem,your entitled to your views, and if you think gambling is a mugs game etc etc, its fine with me and i wont be trying to alter your views, but the gambling business offers a MASSIVE opportunity to British speedway and the promoters either want to cash in or not, the days of the late forties are long long gone as are the 100,000+ crowds, speedway has a great opportunity to start securing its future and if those in charge fuck it all up, as they seem hellbent to do we'll all have to find something else to entertain us.
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Post by Deleted on May 29, 2009 18:36:04 GMT
And do any of them actually go to a match.... the only reason speedway is popular is that the bookies are clueless, that wont last one way or another. Betting is a mugs game at best, as its ruled by the bookmakers and the professional gamblers who pay for info or rig the game. AB, hope you dont mind me calling you AB, but i'm too thick to spell your name, if you dont like gambling, fine, no problem,your entitled to your views, and if you think gambling is a mugs game etc etc, its fine with me and i wont be trying to alter your views, but the gambling business offers a MASSIVE opportunity to British speedway and the promoters either want to cash in or not, the days of the late forties are long long gone as are the 100,000+ crowds, speedway has a great opportunity to start securing its future and if those in charge fuck it all up, as they seem hellbent to do we'll all have to find something else to entertain us. Gambling will never be long term due to the same reasons it was banned in the first place, speedway is too easy to rig the results on. Just look at things now.
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Post by Deleted on May 29, 2009 18:40:53 GMT
AB, hope you dont mind me calling you AB, but i'm too thick to spell your name, if you dont like gambling, fine, no problem,your entitled to your views, and if you think gambling is a mugs game etc etc, its fine with me and i wont be trying to alter your views, but the gambling business offers a MASSIVE opportunity to British speedway and the promoters either want to cash in or not, the days of the late forties are long long gone as are the 100,000+ crowds, speedway has a great opportunity to start securing its future and if those in charge fuck it all up, as they seem hellbent to do we'll all have to find something else to entertain us. Gambling will never be long term due to the same reasons it was banned in the first place, speedway is too easy to rig the results on. Just look at things now. Gambling was never banned AB, it was outlawed from the start due to the views of the likes of Freddie Mockford, it was introduced one night at Lea Bridge, but caused such an uproar with Fred and his cronies it swiftly got the elbow. Speedway of course is no more or less likely to suffer from corruption than any other sport.
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Post by Genghis on May 29, 2009 20:23:12 GMT
David Gordon:. “ We need to start over again with the sport being run by an independent body which will bring in the transparency and trust which is so essential to any business or sport. They are everything.Spot on.
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Post by Genghis on May 29, 2009 20:26:05 GMT
Speedway of course is no more or less likely to suffer from corruption than any other sport. Hatcham The GREAT, but isn't speedway potentially much easier to fix than some other sports?
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Post by Deleted on May 29, 2009 20:39:14 GMT
Gambling was never banned AB, it was outlawed from the start due to the views of the likes of Freddie Mockford, it was introduced one night at Lea Bridge, but caused such an uproar with Fred and his cronies it swiftly got the elbow. Speedway of course is no more or less likely to suffer from corruption than any other sport. So will you answer a question please, do you have any money on Poole speedway to win the Elite League this season?
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Post by admin on May 29, 2009 20:40:31 GMT
Hatcham The Unworthy, but isn't speedway potentially much easier to fix than some other sports? Well, that may be so, but I think it'll take more than the BSPA to fix the broken Elite League. This season is now just a massive, embarrassing joke at Elite League level.
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Post by Deleted on May 29, 2009 20:49:16 GMT
Gambling was never banned AB, it was outlawed from the start due to the views of the likes of Freddie Mockford, it was introduced one night at Lea Bridge, but caused such an uproar with Fred and his cronies it swiftly got the elbow. Speedway of course is no more or less likely to suffer from corruption than any other sport. So will you answer a question please, do you have any money on Poole speedway to win the Elite League this season? No i dont MD, i dont have a penny on anyone to win the league, with 6 making the play-offs, and home and away matches after that i wont be betting on anyone until at least the last four are known. The only speedway bet i have is on Crump to be world champion.
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Post by Deleted on May 29, 2009 20:57:45 GMT
Speedway of course is no more or less likely to suffer from corruption than any other sport. Hatcham The Unworthy, but isn't speedway potentially much easier to fix than some other sports? Potentially easier than some Genghis, dependant on the bribability of riders, but it would be nowhere near as corruptible as Horse or Greyhound racing.
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Post by Deleted on May 29, 2009 21:04:12 GMT
David Gordon:. “ We need to start over again with the sport being run by an independent body which will bring in the transparency and trust which is so essential to any business or sport. They are everything.Spot on. First person to mention John Berry for the role of overseeing this farce will have a swift nomination for Flapperjack of the Week. Rico
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