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Post by Deleted on May 11, 2009 10:34:45 GMT
What the hell is wrong with the guy 12 points in 2 GPs he usually scores over that on a regular basis. What an awful start. 24pts to make up on the leader already.
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Post by Genghis on May 11, 2009 11:39:09 GMT
What the hell is wrong with the guy 12 points in 2 GPs he usually scores over that on a regular basis. What an awful start. 24pts to make up on the leader already. Just shows the value of riding over here; and how not doing so, can affect some riders.
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Post by Deleted on May 11, 2009 12:39:37 GMT
Well, I guess it could have an effect on some riders who aren't that good. The confidence gained from winning the easy heats in the EL might give them a general boost.
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Post by Deleted on May 11, 2009 18:13:09 GMT
Hans is world class though. Does not riding in one league really affect your season so badly or do you think there are deeper/off track issue going on here?
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Post by Deleted on May 11, 2009 18:44:28 GMT
Hans is world class though. Does not riding in one league really affect your season so badly or do you think there are deeper/off track issue going on here? I doubt very much it has anything to do with riding or not riding in England. That said, a return for Andersen to get confidence back could certainly be beneficial.
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Post by admin on May 12, 2009 0:08:28 GMT
Not riding in the UK doesn't seem to be doing Crump too much harm. And there in lies the truth of the matter, as far as I'm concerned. The global superstar and Hans Andersen aren't in the same class as Crump. They may have thought they were. But they deluded themselves if they did. Hans Andersen, to me, is a limited rider who gets complacent. He only really came to life after he was kicked out of the GPs at the end of 2005. That event led to a real charge in 2006, which he maintained in 2007. Now he seems to have vegetated back. The global superstar perhaps believes his longevity on the GP scene places him in the same bracket as other riders who have completed in a similar number of GPs, but his presence is due to nationality and not performance. Furthermore, the British scene has tended to be where both Andersen and the global superstar have performed best. Maybe Sweden as well, for Andersen, but to my mind neither has ever been totally convincing in Poland. Crump, Pedersen, Gollob, Hancock and all the other successful riders who have given British speedway a wide berth have never relied on the British scene for their best results on the domestic level.
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Post by Deleted on May 12, 2009 0:25:31 GMT
Hans has started the season fairly slow every year. He seems to come alive mid-season most years, which is maybe where things worked well for him the year he got dumped. He only got a first shot at a GP mid-season I expect him to pick up later in the year, but by then his chance will be long since gone. Leaving the UK league probably wasn't a good move for him. He seems like a guy who needs to be racing and he hasn't had too many matches so far this year.
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Post by admin on May 12, 2009 1:33:45 GMT
I don't remember him starting too many seasons slowly, in terms of his form in the Elite League or any leagues. Indeed, I have memories of him starting that 2006 season, when he had so much to prove after being kicked out of the GPs, like a train. In fact, his form dipped after he had secured his place in the GPs for 2007.
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Post by Deleted on May 12, 2009 8:07:27 GMT
Not riding in the UK doesn't seem to be doing Crump too much harm. And there in lies the truth of the matter, as far as I'm concerned. The global superstar and Hans Andersen aren't in the same class as Crump. They may have thought they were. But they deluded themselves if they did. Hans Andersen, to me, is a limited rider who gets complacent. He only really came to life after he was kicked out of the GPs at the end of 2005. That event led to a real charge in 2006, which he maintained in 2007. Now he seems to have vegetated back. The global superstar perhaps believes his longevity on the GP scene places him in the same bracket as other riders who have completed in a similar number of GPs, but his presence is due to nationality and not performance. Furthermore, the British scene has tended to be where both Andersen and the global superstar have performed best. Maybe Sweden as well, for Andersen, but to my mind neither has ever been totally convincing in Poland. Crump, Pedersen, Gollob, Hancock and all the other successful riders who have given British speedway a wide berth have never relied on the British scene for their best results on the domestic level. There is no doubt that the likes of Crump, Pedersen and Hancock are head and shoulders above the likes of Andersen and Nicholls in ability, and it should be remembered that 'winning' breeds confidence. For Andersen and Nicholls without Britain they are simply not winning enough races, i would be surprised if Nicholls has been in front more than two or three times all season. The one thing i'll say about Nicholls despite all the bluff and bluster, and ignoring all the American 'talking the talk', is that i dont believe he does delude himself, i think he knows he is nowhere near as good as the elite riders and thats why his GP and world cup performances are even worse than his limited ability should muster. As i dont know what offers were made to Scott during the winter i have tended to give him the benefit of doubt, however i along with many others knew that his ditching the elite was a massive mistake, and he now has to travel over to the British championship with his confidence on the floor, obviously this will please many people particularly Subedei who hates him with a passion, but personally i never delight in anyones misfortune. If Nicholls fails in the British championship, his GP and world cup careers will be over after this season, and the elite will be about the only thing he'll have left.
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Post by Deleted on May 12, 2009 9:06:12 GMT
"his GP and world cup careers will be over after this season"
Im quite happy with that. He lingers in the lower reaches of the GP standings he is never going to improve or be up there fighting so he is just wasting a space that could be filled by someone else who will improve with time and offer excitement.
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Post by Deleted on May 12, 2009 11:17:11 GMT
I don't remember him starting too many seasons slowly, in terms of his form in the Elite League or any leagues. Indeed, I have memories of him starting that 2006 season, when he had so much to prove after being kicked out of the GPs, like a train. In fact, his form dipped after he had secured his place in the GPs for 2007. Sorry, maybe didn't make myself clear. When I wrote that, I was referring to his "GP season" rather than his racing season in general. However, even that maybe wasn't a very good claim as I forgot about Slovenia last year
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Post by schumi on May 12, 2009 13:40:20 GMT
According to Swedish papers, Hans has ordered some new engines.
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Post by admin on May 12, 2009 14:57:59 GMT
According to Swedish papers, Hans has ordered some new engines. I think he'd be better off ordering a kick in the arse. Would be less expensive and probably do more good. The only thing that seemed to really motivate him was the kick in the arse that exclusion from the GPs brought.
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Post by Deleted on May 12, 2009 15:27:20 GMT
Hans to me is an enigma. Not one of my favourite riders it has to be said, but most of my friends have him top of their lists . It would appear he rides his best when he has a grudge against someone/something and that brings the best out in him, but is bloody dangerous for whomever has incurred his wrath. To me his downturn commenced when he changed his kevlars to Erik's, (just using that as the time line), and he seems to have lost his hunger for the sport. He and AJ are similar, in that they have it in them to win GP's but don't consistantly deliver the goods. I have already made my feeling clear on his "wanting" a return to the BEL.....well Hans you made your decision so stick by it, and work through your problems.
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Post by Deleted on May 13, 2009 11:48:14 GMT
So Badge would you say that to Nicholls and Crump etc? they made their decision should they never be allowed to return to the EL again?
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