Deleted
Deleted Member
Posts: 0
|
Post by Deleted on Apr 25, 2009 21:43:59 GMT
Just wondered what everyone's thoughts may be on the team selection for Team GB for the SWC.
Put yourself in Rob Lyon's place and choose the five riders who you think would perform best for us in the SWC..........just for the record, here's my choice......
1. Lee Richardson 2. Edward Kennett 3. Lewis Bridger 4. Tai Woffinden 5. Robert Mear
Controversial maybe, but all of them have shown grit and determination, something Nicholls and Harris seem to have been sadly lacking..............but what do I know?............who would you include in your team?
|
|
|
Post by schumi on Apr 25, 2009 21:48:53 GMT
On current form?
Richardson Nicholls Kennett Bridger Screen
|
|
|
Post by Genghis on Apr 25, 2009 22:39:32 GMT
1. Edward Kennett (c) 2. Lewis Bridger 3. Tai Woffinden 4. Ben Barker 5. Chris Harris
EDITED to replace Joe Haines with Chris Harris, although Haines should be very much part of the plan in future years. Harris did alright in the 2008 World Cup, unlike Nicholls and Richardson, who just went through the motions.
|
|
Deleted
Deleted Member
Posts: 0
|
Post by Deleted on Apr 25, 2009 22:43:40 GMT
1. Edward Kennett (c) 2. Lewis Bridger 3. Tai Woffinden 4. Ben Barker 5. Joe Haines Stop it, stop it, stop it !
|
|
|
Post by Genghis on Apr 26, 2009 8:40:16 GMT
1. Edward Kennett (c) 2. Lewis Bridger 3. Tai Woffinden 4. Ben Barker 5. Joe Haines Stop it, stop it, stop it ! Hatcham - one of the above lads might be the next Emil Satsumanov, but how are we going to know if we don't give them the experience? Maybe have Chris Harris in place of Joe Haines (and wait until Haines moves up into the Elite League), BUT otherwise I don't see the problem in using the rest of the above team in the World Cup.
|
|
Deleted
Deleted Member
Posts: 0
|
Post by Deleted on Apr 26, 2009 9:05:41 GMT
Stop it, stop it, stop it ! Hatcham - one of the above lads might be the next Emil Satsumanov, but how are we going to know if we don't give them the experience? Maybe have Chris Harris in place of Joe Haines (and wait until Haines moves up into the Elite League), BUT otherwise I don't see the problem in using the rest of the above team in the World Cup. How is Kennett going to rival Sajfutdinov ? he has had plenty of chances, i remember watching him ride for England under 18's against Sweden under 18's which must have been over 6 years ago, everyone was raving about how Eddie would be world champion within 5 years, yet he has not even made the GP's, he has never even ridden as one of the top two in the elite, compare that to two of his rivals that day Lindback and Lindgren. Face it Kennett will never be anymore than a 'jobbing' elite rider.
|
|
|
Post by Genghis on Apr 26, 2009 9:24:38 GMT
Hatcham - one of the above lads might be the next Emil Satsumanov, but how are we going to know if we don't give them the experience? Maybe have Chris Harris in place of Joe Haines (and wait until Haines moves up into the Elite League), BUT otherwise I don't see the problem in using the rest of the above team in the World Cup. How is Kennett going to rival Sajfutdinov ? he has had plenty of chances, i remember watching him ride for England under 18's against Sweden under 18's which must have been over 6 years ago, everyone was raving about how Eddie would be world champion within 5 years, yet he has not even made the GP's, he has never even ridden as one of the top two in the elite, compare that to two of his rivals that day Lindback and Lindgren. Face it Kennett will never be anymore than a 'jobbing' elite rider. Maybe, maybe not, but he deserves a chance, unlike Nicholls and Rihcardson who have already had plenty of chances and not taken them. Kennett seems to have hit some form this season - let's see whether he's capable of mixing it up in Leszno in the World Cup Race-Off or not. If he's not, then there's the likes of Haines and Auty who will ready in a couple of year's time to take his place. In the near future, I see our team being: 1. Bridger 2. Woffinden 3. Barker 4. Haines 5. Auty Five great lads, let's hope they are given all the backing, opportunites and experience that they need.
|
|
Deleted
Deleted Member
Posts: 0
|
Post by Deleted on Apr 26, 2009 9:35:26 GMT
How is Kennett going to rival Sajfutdinov ? he has had plenty of chances, i remember watching him ride for England under 18's against Sweden under 18's which must have been over 6 years ago, everyone was raving about how Eddie would be world champion within 5 years, yet he has not even made the GP's, he has never even ridden as one of the top two in the elite, compare that to two of his rivals that day Lindback and Lindgren. Face it Kennett will never be anymore than a 'jobbing' elite rider. Maybe, maybe not, but he deserves a chance, unlike Nicholls and Rihcardson who have already had plenty of chances and not taken them. Kennett seems to have hit some form this season - let's see whether he's capable of mixing it up in Leszno in the World Cup Race-Off or not. If he's not, then there's the likes of Haines and Auty who will ready in a couple of year's time to take his place. In the near future, I see our team being: 1. Bridger 2. Woffinden 3. Barker 4. Haines 5. Auty Five great lads, let's hope they are given all the backing, opportunites and experience that they need. Sorry to disappoint you but none of them will ever make an impact at world level, in ten years time,one of them will probably be British champion, but way short of world class, you Subedei and a few others will be tee hee'ing at their shortcomings or claiming the 'new breed' of kids should be given their chance. And the cycle will continue.. Lets face it speedway in Britain is dying on its feet and unless Sky can re-spark some national enthusiasm it will just get worse and worse. Just imagine my 13 year old daughter was my 13 year old son, and desperate to give speedway a go, how could i possibly accommodate 'him' considering i live in London, where would the training and track time come from?
|
|
|
Post by Genghis on Apr 26, 2009 9:52:02 GMT
Sorry to disappoint you but none of them will ever make an impact at world level, in ten years time,one of them will probably be British champion, but way short of world class, you Subedei and a few others will be tee hee'ing at their shortcomings or claiming the 'new breed' of kids should be given their chance. And the cycle will continue.. Lets face it speedway in Britain is dying on its feet and unless Sky can re-spark some national enthusiasm it will just get worse and worse. Just imagine my 13 year old daughter was my 13 year old son, and desperate to give speedway a go, how could i possibly accommodate 'him' considering i live in London, where would the training and track time come from? Hatcham - but at least we should at least try? You seem to have given up already. And, of course, the "backing, opportunites and experience" should include the necessary training that the likes of Bridger, Woffinden, Barker, Haines and Auty would still gain from. There should be a track (maybe King's Lynn, especially given Lyon's connections and the fact it's big and fast like many European tracks) where our lads can go and practice any time they want. And there's no need to change your daughter into a fictional son, one day a girl would break through into league speedway, you don't have to be a bodybuilder to be a speedway rider.
|
|
Deleted
Deleted Member
Posts: 0
|
Post by Deleted on Apr 26, 2009 10:05:51 GMT
Sorry to disappoint you but none of them will ever make an impact at world level, in ten years time,one of them will probably be British champion, but way short of world class, you Subedei and a few others will be tee hee'ing at their shortcomings or claiming the 'new breed' of kids should be given their chance. And the cycle will continue.. Lets face it speedway in Britain is dying on its feet and unless Sky can re-spark some national enthusiasm it will just get worse and worse. Just imagine my 13 year old daughter was my 13 year old son, and desperate to give speedway a go, how could i possibly accommodate 'him' considering i live in London, where would the training and track time come from? Hatcham - but at least we should at least try? You seem to have given up already. And, of course, the "backing, opportunites and experience" should include the necessary training that the likes of Bridger, Woffinden, Barker, Haines and Auty would still gain from. There should be a track (maybe King's Lynn, especially given Lyon's connections and the fact it's big and fast like many European tracks) where our lads can go and practice any time they want. And there's no need to change your daughter into a fictional son, one day a girl would break through into league speedway, you don't have to be a bodybuilder to be a speedway rider. Rubbish, my opinion has always been the same, pick your best team, which currently includes Nicholls, Harris and Richardson...go on track and do your best, thats all anyone can ask. Kings Lynn is a minimum 3 hour drive for me, thats a 6 hour round trip so my kid can have a few minutes on track, if thats your suggestion its no wonder British speedway is in such a sorry state.
|
|
|
Post by Genghis on Apr 26, 2009 11:35:52 GMT
Kings Lynn is a minimum 3 hour drive for me, thats a 6 hour round trip so my kid can have a few minutes on track, if thats your suggestion its no wonder British speedway is in such a sorry state. Hatchie, the British Olympic cycling team is a massive success, but it's based in Manchester. If you don't commit to being there, you're not part of the team. That's the problem with British Speedway. Everybody thinks everything should be brought to them. Look at the Aussies who travel halfway around the world to ride in this country. They're committed in a way our riders are not. If the British centre of speedway excellence is at e.g. King's Lynn and you want to make it, then you go there. If you don't, then you're not committed enough and don't deserve to make it.
|
|
Deleted
Deleted Member
Posts: 0
|
Post by Deleted on Apr 26, 2009 11:48:03 GMT
Kings Lynn is a minimum 3 hour drive for me, thats a 6 hour round trip so my kid can have a few minutes on track, if thats your suggestion its no wonder British speedway is in such a sorry state. Hatchie, the British Olympic cycling team is a massive success, but it's based in Manchester. If you don't commit to being there, you're not part of the team. That's the problem with British Speedway. Everybody thinks everything should be brought to them. Look at the Aussies who travel halfway around the world to ride in this country. They're committed in a way our riders are not. If the British centre of speedway excellence is at e.g. King's Lynn and you want to make it, then you go there. If you don't, then you're not committed enough and don't deserve to make it. Genghis, take your blinkers off and take a look at the state of British speedway. Poole won the title largely due to the derisory average AUSTRALIAN rider Holder was on, Swindon are favourites this season largely due to the derisory average Pavlic another FOREIGN rider is on, had Sajfutdinov not been given a wild card place what average would he have been available on ? Do you see my point, meanwhile British clubs are given no incentives whatsoever to sign British riders. As for your point about Olympic athletes training together in Manchester, what an absolutely ridiculous example, they would have all been trained near their homes until they reached a top class standard. You propose do you, that if a young teenager decides he want to try his hand at speedway but lives in Britains largest city, he/she needs to make a 6 hour+ round trip on a regular basis just to see if they have any talent ?
|
|
Deleted
Deleted Member
Posts: 0
|
Post by Deleted on Apr 27, 2009 20:47:38 GMT
Eddie Kennett in Team GB for Peterborough ? NO THANKS, thank god Genghis is not TM, he would have him as captain.
|
|
Deleted
Deleted Member
Posts: 0
|
Post by Deleted on Apr 28, 2009 21:29:26 GMT
Not that i give a crap who they pick as i love seeing them get humped but i would rather see the young lads in. Everyone knows that Nicholls, Harris and Richardson will win feck all so why waste the time trying when that time could be used giving the young lads experience against teh top riders without adding the pressure of winning.
|
|
Deleted
Deleted Member
Posts: 0
|
Post by Deleted on Apr 28, 2009 21:33:48 GMT
Not that i give a crap who they pick as i love seeing them get humped but i would rather see the young lads in. Everyone knows that Nicholls, Harris and Richardson will win feck all so why waste the time trying when that time could be used giving the young lads experience against teh top riders without adding the pressure of winning. Why are you sticking your nose into who gets selected for England ? You worry about your own team.
|
|