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Post by Deleted on Feb 15, 2009 18:20:33 GMT
I agree, and sadly recent history proves that nobody did try harder.  Do you not think though Kev that with 10/11 GP's a season, the ELRC is a case of going to the well once too often. Well since you ask, no, personally I don't.......it has the added attraction that the riders are officially representing their clubs too. But, surely you've got your threads mixed up, or was that a totally random question? |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 15, 2009 18:22:30 GMT
Speedway must be the only sport in this country that is still on a downward spiral despite SKY's involvement . Bloody hell even darts is flourishing . So makes you suspect SKY isn't the problem .
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Post by Deleted on Feb 15, 2009 18:25:10 GMT
Surely televised speedway(or sport in general) is not supposed to increase live attendances but to bring them to a larger audience, for which the clubs concerned should be duly compensated to a greater financial degree, if this is not the case with speedway then we need to know why. Hatcham - but other sports completely rely on the huge sums they receive from Sky and other TV companies. The problem with Speedway is that it has been poorly paid for this coverage, despite it bringing in very, very respectable figures. The knock-on effect is that the product is now suffering. If Sky complain that the standard of the Elite League is dropping, then they only have themselves to blame. The saviour for Elite League Speedway could be that Sky now has a serious rival in Sentana, who will see the viewing figures and want speedwat for themselves. But it's a question of whether Elite League survives for long enough until the current Sky contract expires. Genghis, i cannot believe ANYBODY negotiated a contract with Sky tv at a rate of £4000 per match, i worked in television for almost 15 years, alongside the likes of Vic Wakelin and Mark Sharman, and refuse to accept they are paying such a paltry amount. Someone, somewhere is raking it in. |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 15, 2009 18:29:43 GMT
But, surely you've got your threads mixed up, or was that a totally random question? Threads mixed up Kev, dont forget i'm an idiot. |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 15, 2009 18:30:05 GMT
Speedway must be the only sport in this country that is still on a downward spiral despite SKY's involvement . Bloody hell even darts is flourishing . So makes you suspect SKY isn't the problem . It would seem that some people on here and one or two EL promoters think otherwise.  |
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Post by Genghis on Feb 15, 2009 18:32:39 GMT
Speedway must be the only sport in this country that is still on a downward spiral despite SKY's involvement . Bloody hell even darts is flourishing . So makes you suspect SKY isn't the problem . Paulco - there's no doubt that British Speedway's problems are far ranging. I don't think every other sport is floourishing quite as much as you have suggested, though. Other sports are also run on almost suidical finances, and with some many companies in trouble, sponsorship money is cutting to take a big knock. There's some high and mighty sports which are going to take a very big tumble in the next 12 months, the fact that speedway has very little outside money coming into it in the first place, might actually be a bit of a saviour. |
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Post by Genghis on Feb 15, 2009 18:36:14 GMT
Do you not think though Kev that with 10/11 GP's a season, the ELRC is a case of going to the well once too often. Shouldn't be a problem this year though should it, only Leigh Bomber and Kenneth who have GP's to worry about, technically the others shoudl embrace the chance of another meeting  Ooops editted to include Freddie in there  What are you two talking about?  EDIT: Oh, I see Hatcham is trying to confuse us all.  Why not post about (the talentless) Leona Lewis on this thread as well, Hatcham?   |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 15, 2009 18:40:52 GMT
Well the group i go with to speedway what is between 10-20 people and nearly to a person they watch speedway on sky before trying a live match . No doubt there are countless around others who now go to speedway at there local track after they watched speedway on sky tv . So where are the crowds of 5000 at each track? Attendances have slumped since Sky started thier coverage, not gone upwards. Speedway crowds have dropped year after year from a long time ago as speedway is sport of the past a bit like dog racing nothing going to change that . Sky coverage has no doubt kept speedway alive being the only link into outside world and it the only way any new fans are likely to come along . |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 15, 2009 18:40:52 GMT
Hatcham - but other sports completely rely on the huge sums they receive from Sky and other TV companies. The problem with Speedway is that it has been poorly paid for this coverage, despite it bringing in very, very respectable figures. The knock-on effect is that the product is now suffering. If Sky complain that the standard of the Elite League is dropping, then they only have themselves to blame. The saviour for Elite League Speedway could be that Sky now has a serious rival in Sentana, who will see the viewing figures and want speedwat for themselves. But it's a question of whether Elite League survives for long enough until the current Sky contract expires. Genghis, i cannot believe ANYBODY negotiated a contract with Sky tv at a rate of £4000 per match, i worked in television for almost 15 years, alongside the likes of Vic Wakelin and Mark Sharman, and refuse to accept they are paying such a paltry amount. Someone, somewhere is raking it in.[/size][/quote] Hmmmmm....can't think |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 15, 2009 18:45:35 GMT
Hatcham - but other sports completely rely on the huge sums they receive from Sky and other TV companies. The problem with Speedway is that it has been poorly paid for this coverage, despite it bringing in very, very respectable figures. The knock-on effect is that the product is now suffering. If Sky complain that the standard of the Elite League is dropping, then they only have themselves to blame. The saviour for Elite League Speedway could be that Sky now has a serious rival in Sentana, who will see the viewing figures and want speedwat for themselves. But it's a question of whether Elite League survives for long enough until the current Sky contract expires. Genghis, i cannot believe ANYBODY negotiated a contract with Sky tv at a rate of £4000 per match, i worked in television for almost 15 years, alongside the likes of Vic Wakelin and Mark Sharman, and refuse to accept they are paying such a paltry amount. Someone, somewhere is raking it in. It's generally accepted that the Sky deal was £5 million over five years, with the broker of the deal keeping 40% of the money. That leaves £3 million, which split over five seasons equates to £600,000 per year. Now if the teams in each meeting receive £4,000 that should mean we get to see 150 meetings every season, and we don't!!! Could the Freedom of Information Act help find the missing thousands, or has someone got their figures wrong? |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 15, 2009 19:03:34 GMT
Genghis, i cannot believe ANYBODY negotiated a contract with Sky tv at a rate of £4000 per match, i worked in television for almost 15 years, alongside the likes of Vic Wakelin and Mark Sharman, and refuse to accept they are paying such a paltry amount. Someone, somewhere is raking it in. It's generally accepted that the Sky deal was £5 million over five years, with the broker of the deal keeping 40% of the money. That leaves £3 million, which split over five seasons equates to £600,000 per year. Now if the teams in each meeting receive £4,000 that should mean we get to see 150 meetings every season, and we don't!!! Could the Freedom of Information Act help find the missing thousands, or has someone got their figures wrong? I thought it said in that statement that the clubs got 35 k to start with and the broker got 20% . |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 15, 2009 19:09:02 GMT
Half of today's current problems can be traced back to the likes of Waggy, JP, Ford Horton etc. They paid stupid money to get the riders they wanted and it wasn't long before their team mates cottoned on & started asking for more as well. This mentality has spiralled throughout the EL and in some cases into the PL.
Riders deserve every penny they get and for the risks they take you can't begrudge them wanting to earn as much as they can in what is a relatively short career. But the sport has to live within it's means and rides should be looking to cut costs to help the sport continue not raising their demands.
The GP is doing nothing to help british speedway, would a complete break away from riders competing in the GP series be such a bad thing?
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Post by Genghis on Feb 15, 2009 19:18:21 GMT
Half of today's current problems can be traced back to the likes of Waggy, JP, Ford Horton etc. They paid stupid money Wacks - I don't think Waggy paid stupid money, he couldn't afford to. It was JP/Horton who pushed up costs circa 2006/2007. They both drove their respective clubs to the wall, whilst buggering up everyone else at the same time.  |
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Post by admin on Feb 15, 2009 20:23:19 GMT
Wacks - I don't think Waggy paid stupid money, he couldn't afford to. Offered good money and then didn't cough over, wasn't that the scenario? |
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Post by Genghis on Feb 15, 2009 20:33:11 GMT
Wacks - I don't think Waggy paid stupid money, he couldn't afford to. Offered good money and then didn't cough over, wasn't that the scenario? But it wasn't silly money, such as JP / Horton started to offer the following season. Waggy took a big gamble - that the crowds will double with a league winning team. Unfortunately Billy Hamill was wiped out early in the season and it all went tits up. The irony of it was we still won the Craven Shield, thus showing the potential of the side, but by then it was too late. |
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Why not post about (the talentless) Leona Lewis on this thread as well, Hatcham? 
