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Post by admin on Dec 31, 2008 13:47:59 GMT
As I understand it Chris Kerr's average reverts to his assessed average because he didn't manage to meet the criteria for having his work permit automatically re-newed. Kerr knew at the start of the season he had to achieve a Premier League average of 7.00. He didn't, so had to re-apply for a work permit and that means returning to an assessed Premier League average of 8.00.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 31, 2008 13:52:04 GMT
As I understand it Chris Kerr's average reverts to his assessed average because he didn't manage to meet the criteria for having his work permit automatically re-newed. Kerr knew at the start of the season he had to achieve a Premier League average of 7.00. He didn't, so had to re-apply for a work permit and that means returning to an assessed Premier League average of 8.00. Crazy
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Post by Deleted on Dec 31, 2008 13:54:56 GMT
[ Why is it that Kerr can't move from one PL club to another PL club and keep his 6.47 average anyway ? If Van Stratten has trashed the rule book over this - then well done CVS . When a work permit rider moves to a new club that club has to apply for a new work permit in accordance with the DoE hence Kerr should be on an 8.00 point average. It happened to Josef Franc, Kyle Legault and now Richard Sweetman so why the feck should it be a different kettle of fish for Kerr. Whether we like the rule or not it's there anfd by saying well done on trashing the rule book then you are setting a precedent for every promotion to trash rules they don't like. So what's the bloody point in having any! Because there are that many stupid ones now - it's possibly time to have a complete overhaul of the rule book . Speedway is now completely strangled in red tape . And, for what should be a simple sport of two riders from each team racing each other over 15 heats , has completely ruined it .
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Post by admin on Dec 31, 2008 13:55:35 GMT
And presumably just as crazy last year when Ryan Fisher was saddled with an assessed average of 8.00 when joining Edinburgh. No doubt had Fisher been joining Wolverhampton CVS would've sorted something out for him. You may not like the rule, young fellow, but surely you can't like that it is being trashed because it suits CVS to have it trashed?
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Post by admin on Dec 31, 2008 13:58:14 GMT
Whether we like the rule or not it's there anfd by saying well done on trashing the rule book then you are setting a precedent for every promotion to trash rules they don't like. So what's the bloody point in having any! Well, not every promotion. Not every promotion has the clout at BSPA headquarters to trash rules. But CVS does.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 31, 2008 13:58:19 GMT
And presumably just as crazy last year when Ryan Fisher was saddled with an assessed average of 8.00 when joining Edinburgh. No doubt had Fisher been joining Wolverhampton CVS would've sorted something out for him. You may not like the rule, young fellow, but surely you can't like that it is being trashed because it suits CVS to have it trashed? Yes it's obvious that it is suiting CVS to have it trashed now , so that he can have both his preferred doubling up riders available . But someone at some point was going to have to challenge this daft rule - it just happened to be CVS .
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Post by admin on Dec 31, 2008 14:00:58 GMT
Yes it's obvious that it is suiting CVS to have it trashed now , so that he can have both his preferred doubling up riders available . But someone at some point was going to have to challenge this daft rule - it just happened to be CVS . And would they have succeeded in getting it trashed if trashing it made a rival promotion stronger vis-a-vis Wolverhampton? You could say that it's daft that Monberg's 4.51 average isn't allowed to stand because the twelve meetings weren't six home and six away.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 31, 2008 14:12:07 GMT
And would they have succeeded in getting it trashed if trashing it made a rival promotion stronger vis-a-vis Wolverhampton? You could say that it's daft that Monberg's 4.51 average isn't allowed to stand because the twelve meetings weren't six home and six away. I don't know if anyone else would have succeeded and to be honest when most of these cases come up , especially in the EL , my eyes tend to glaze over and i lose interest . But this one just struck me as incredibly stupid why a rider has his average increased by a point and a half just by moving between two clubs in the same league .
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Post by admin on Dec 31, 2008 14:16:56 GMT
Just don't assume the whole rule has been trashed, young fellow. It'll be interesting to see whether Sweetman's average is changed to the one he achieved with the Isle of Wight. I would not be surprised to find that Kerr is being made a special case on account of his injuries last season. Injuries caused by the sole reason that he falls off an awful lot. Kerr tumbles more often than the Lesser Compton and that takes some doing.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 31, 2008 14:19:01 GMT
Just don't assume the whole rule has been trashed, young fellow. It'll be interesting to see whether Sweetman's average is changed to the one he achieved with the Isle of Wight. I would not be surprised to find that Kerr is being made a special case on account of his injuries last season. Injuries caused by the sole reason that he falls off an awful lot. Kerr tumbles more often than the Lesser Compton and that takes some doing. On that we are in agreement . Kerr does seem to fall off quite a bit .
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Post by Deleted on Jan 1, 2009 13:03:58 GMT
The rule is the rule. There is a dispensation for a rider who hasn't ridden for more than a season due to injury, not for someone who has a succession of injuries during a season, due to not being able to stay on a bike for four laps. I don't care if it is Van Strattan on Rip van Winkle who is the promoter involved, while the rule is in the book it should be enforced correctly.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 1, 2009 14:22:08 GMT
Some guy on the BSF has said that Sweetman has also been allowed his 'real' average....I can't find anything that confirms this but if this does trun out to be the case then perhaps the silly rule has been changed after all.
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Post by admin on Jan 1, 2009 14:32:26 GMT
Some guy on the BSF has said that Sweetman has also been allowed his 'real' average....I can't find anything that confirms this but if this does trun out to be the case then perhaps the silly rule has been changed after all. Yes, perhaps, but probably just an exercise in CVS covering his tracks.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 3, 2009 9:11:48 GMT
Once upon a time work permit riders weren't allowed back if they didn't get the minimum average - that being 6.00 in the EL/BL or whatever it was.
Shawn McConnell was deprived of a career in Britain because of it. Rick Miller had to score a suspiciously immaculate maximum in his final meeting one year to reach 6.00.
This rule is rather ridiculous anyway. If they are allowed back then let them back on their average. I'm sure it's all these daft complications that they try to add all the time that ended up with them cocking up the Work Permit rider rules and enabling Jurica Pavlic to come in on 4.00.
I think they try just a little too hard when it comes to doing that there speedway rule book.
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Post by admin on Jan 3, 2009 9:27:28 GMT
The focus seems to have shifted. In the old days the Department of Employment (DoE) seemed to be the predominent decider. Often times the clubs wanted to keep the riders, but the DoE were unmoved. Wolverhampton - before the advent of CVS - tried desperately to get Eddie Ingels a work permit for 1985 after he failed to reach 6.00 with Newcastle in 1984, but the DoE refused. Later in the season the cigar-chomping Stuart Bamford at Belle Vue succeeded in getting Ingels a permit, but he got lost in the wide open spaces of Hyde Road. I think he'd have developed nicely at Monmore Green. But now the power seems to reside with the BSPA. However, that's probably not the wisest thing. Look at the example of Emil Sajfutdinov, who at the start of November was a 4.00 rider and by the time December came he was an 8.00 rider. He'd done nothing to warrant that. He'd just been invited into the GP series and that did it.
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