Questions

[schumi]

Feb 9, 2009 15:03:47 GMT @schumi said:

Does anyone have the programme for the 2003 British Final at Eastbourne who would be willing to check a couple of things please?

This is the last one to complete the history of the British Finals:

subedei.proboards89.com/index.cgi?action=display&board=history&thread=2958&page=1

Specifically need to know who came third in heat 12, and which teams each rode for:

1..J Screen
2..G Cunningham
3..P Hurry
4..D Bird
5..C Stonehewer
6..C Harris
7..J Grieves
8..P Fry
9..D Barker
10..S Robson
11..S Nicholls..(Ipswich)?
12..C Neath
13..O Allen
14..D Norris
15..D Howe
16..L Lanham

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Can't help with Heat 12, but........

Scott Nicholls Ipswich
Dean Barker Eastbourne
David Norris Eastbourne
Joe Screen Eastbourne
Leigh Lanham Arena Essex
Carl Stonehewer Workington
David Howe Wolverhampton
Oliver Allen Swindon
Stuart Robson Coventry
Chris Neath Swindon
Paul Hurry Ipswich
Glenn Cunningham Somerset
Chris Harris Trelawny
Paul Fry Swindon
James Grieves Glasgow
Danny Bird Isle of Wight

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Nobody came third in ht 12.

Danny Bird and James Grieves were both excluded

[schumi]

That's brilliant - thank you both. I don't suppose you know what they were excluded for, or who was first to be excluded do you, please, Oooogers? (Or anyone else?)

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Not 100% sure with Bird, I assume unfair riding. Grieves was excluded for not being under power when initial raced stopped.

[hizzy]

Jan 29, 2009 9:55:15 GMT @schumi said:

I know this is a long shot, but does anyone have the time for the race-off between Barry Briggs and Peter Craven in heat 21 of the second round (at Southampton) of the 1963 British Final please?

I know I have this information somewhere. If you can give me a little time, I am sure I can come up with this for you.

[admin]

Cast your collective minds back, the year is 1998 and we're talking the GPs, in particular the final GP at Bydgoszcz. The top eight in the standings would qualify automatically for 1999, but at the end of the days Jason Crump and Billy Hamill were tied for eighth spot with 62 points. A race off would be required. Now, unfortunately, Billy Hamill had crashed out of the meeting in his first ride and was unfit to take his place in the race off. Did the race off still take place? Was Crump obliged to ride around for four laps, or was eighth place awarded to Crump on the grounds he was likely to win the race off?

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I'm 99% certain that no run-off was staged, and have a faint recollection that in those days, final placings were decided by the previous years' standings in the case of two riders finishing on equal points.

[admin]

Feb 13, 2009 21:23:43 GMT @kevh said:

I'm 99% certain that no run-off was staged, and have a faint recollection that in those days, final placings were decided by the previous years' standings in the case of two riders finishing on equal points.

Even when it came down to a guaranteed place in the next year's circus?
I have a faint recollection, which may indeed be wrong, of talk of a race off being required in 1998. Furthermore, the final qualifying place was credited to Crump, whereas Hamill had finished the higher of the two in 1997.

[Deleted]

Can anyone help please?. On the BSF, there is a thread for your top 5 riders since the EL began in 1997, and I queried why no-one who had posted their top 5 hadn't included Tomasz Gollob, and someone has asked what his averages were when he rode for Ipswich. It's no good asking me, as I can't remember what I did this afternoon

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Feb 25, 2009 19:41:57 GMT @badge said:

Can anyone help please?. On the BSF, there is a thread for your top 5 riders since the EL began in 1997, and I queried why no-one who had posted their top 5 hadn't included Tomasz Gollob, and someone has asked what his averages were when he rode for Ipswich. It's no good asking me, as I can't remember what I did this afternoon

1998 - 9.38
1999 - 9.24
2000 - 9.52

And during that time, he posted eleven maximums for the Witches.

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Feb 25, 2009 20:34:28 GMT @kevh said:

Feb 25, 2009 19:41:57 GMT @badge said:

Can anyone help please?. On the BSF, there is a thread for your top 5 riders since the EL began in 1997, and I queried why no-one who had posted their top 5 hadn't included Tomasz Gollob, and someone has asked what his averages were when he rode for Ipswich. It's no good asking me, as I can't remember what I did this afternoon

1998 - 9.38
1999 - 9.24
2000 - 9.52

And during that time, he posted eleven maximums for the Witches.

Thanks very much Kev, pretty impressive then ;D

[admin]

Feb 25, 2009 19:41:57 GMT @badge said:

Can anyone help please?. On the BSF, there is a thread for your top 5 riders since the EL began in 1997, and I queried why no-one who had posted their top 5 hadn't included Tomasz Gollob, and someone has asked what his averages were when he rode for Ipswich. It's no good asking me, as I can't remember what I did this afternoon

Just tell the bounder that using averages, mere statistics that they are, is too prosaic when it comes to assessing genius like the Lesser Gollob possesses. You can't judge or assess riders like Gollob or his Holiness the Weirdity. It's an insult to greatness.

[schumi]

Pay no attention. Anyone who ranks Scott Nicholls as the all time number one "closely followed by Tony Rickardsson... and Nicki Pedersen" is clearly on the wind-up.

[Genghis]

Feb 25, 2009 21:31:29 GMT @schumi said:

Pay no attention. Anyone who ranks Scott Nicholls as the all time number one "closely followed by Tony Rickardsson... and Nicki Pedersen" is clearly on the wind-up.

Schumi - or maybe on drugs?

EDIT: Going by EL stats and EL stats alone, I would have thought the top three riders since 1997 are:
1. Crump
2. Adams
3. Rickardsson

Going by Elite League performances ONLY.

I'm sure KevH could provide stats to prove the above.