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Aug 31, 2007 11:01:35 GMT
Post by Deleted on Aug 31, 2007 11:01:35 GMT
considering this meeting was a joke, the funniest line has to go to Nicki P, for saying that he was worried about Chris, Davey and Leigh being "up his bum" in the final...oh I did larf ;D ;D track apart,i am not sure why last nights meeting was considered a joke,i dont quite understand what everyone expected. of course it was a shame to see so many riders drop out,but with the modern demands of speedway,that is only to be expected,some of them had genuine reasons and some of them may not have,but were the ones who fall into the latter catagory really missed? there were five top eight(currently)gp riders in the line up one of them clearly carrying an injury,and three of the others occupying the rostrum. as soon as the meeting began it became very likely that nicky or leigh would prevail,it it took another 'step up when it matters' performance from chris harris to split them,altogether a predictable result,but was it ever any different in the past? where in my posts does it criticise riders for not being there The track was a joke from the offset and after five heats of shite i'd virtually given up. Having never seen this type of event before I was clearly expecting too much, yeh it improved sufficiently to see a few good races, but on the whole I didn't enjoy it, I'm just glad I didn't travel all the way there for it.
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Aug 31, 2007 11:02:03 GMT
Post by Deleted on Aug 31, 2007 11:02:03 GMT
The meeting has had it's day. You'd better having something like a Elite League Reserves Championship.
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Aug 31, 2007 11:59:31 GMT
Post by Deleted on Aug 31, 2007 11:59:31 GMT
The meeting has had it's day. You'd better having something like a Elite League Reserves Championship. Do you know Harry my thoughts exactly, they are definitely the ones who would benefit from a new bike...well I know that Tobi would have and I'm sure Danny and the like would as well, and they would have been up for it I'm sure. Having said that, I actually enjoyed the meeting after heat 5 and the grading . Hans was obviously still not 100%, but what annoyed me the most was the 2 KL reserves, nothing against them personally, but the fact that they were the meeting reserves , like 2 EL reserves couldn't have been lined up weeks ago , once again the "not so EL" ( can't believe I'm using that expression ) Davey Watt was value for money though wasn't he
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Aug 31, 2007 12:04:28 GMT
Post by Deleted on Aug 31, 2007 12:04:28 GMT
The meeting has had it's day. You'd better having something like a Elite League Reserves Championship. Now that's a good idea tho it would be difficult to sort out with reserves changing so often. How's about an EL Riders Championship that excludes GP riders. Most of the eligible riders would be up for it and let's face it some GP riders take the piss out of British speedway anyway so why give them an extra pay day. While we are at it exclude GP riders from the pairs and all other BSPA meetings too.
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Aug 31, 2007 12:49:58 GMT
Post by Deleted on Aug 31, 2007 12:49:58 GMT
but what annoyed me the most was the 2 KL reserves, nothing against them personally, but the fact that they were the meeting reserves , like 2 EL reserves couldn't have been lined up weeks ago , once again the "not so EL" ( can't believe I'm using that expression ) Isn't it usual that 'big' meetings have two home track reserves?? Not their prob no-one bothered sorting some proper EL reserves to start with. That said, I found it hard going accepting Tomas and Chris were riding in the actual meeting proper, it just wasn't right. But I suppose that was only due to more EL prima donnas withdrawing from the meeting/breaking down in their van in the first place.
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Aug 31, 2007 12:57:22 GMT
Post by Deleted on Aug 31, 2007 12:57:22 GMT
Why blame GP riders? Lee Richardson isn't one, Peter Karlsson isn't one, Joe Screen isn't one, yet the GP riders that did show up filled the top 3 places, so no they cannot be committed Just another anti GP post which has nothing constructive about it at all SL As for the bollocks about Hyde Road god thats been gone what 18-19 years? Just face it back then riders were committed to Britain but when you can ride Poland,Sweden, Denmark and now Russia, you are not gonna be bothered what meetings are about. It's just like the FA Cup, Carling Cup they simply are not important in the modern era in Football just as Speedway individual meetings are not important in Britain! But don't blame the GP's
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Aug 31, 2007 13:42:14 GMT
Post by Deleted on Aug 31, 2007 13:42:14 GMT
when you can ride Poland,Sweden, Denmark and now Russia, you are not gonna be bothered what meetings are about. That's the riders' choice, but then the BSPA (and the fans) should say thanks, but no thanks. They they want to pick and choose their meetings, then they should be told to go somewhere else other than Britain. Simple as that. The GPs have undermined the individual meetings though, through overkill.
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Aug 31, 2007 14:00:19 GMT
Post by Deleted on Aug 31, 2007 14:00:19 GMT
Why blame GP riders? Lee Richardson isn't one, Peter Karlsson isn't one, Joe Screen isn't one, yet the GP riders that did show up filled the top 3 places, so no they cannot be committed Just another anti GP post which has nothing constructive about it at all SL As for the bollocks about Hyde Road god thats been gone what 18-19 years? Just face it back then riders were committed to Britain but when you can ride Poland,Sweden, Denmark and now Russia, you are not gonna be bothered what meetings are about. It's just like the FA Cup, Carling Cup they simply are not important in the modern era in Football just as Speedway individual meetings are not important in Britain! But don't blame the GP's I'm not feeling constructive, if I were I'd be carrying a hod with bricks in it As for comparing speedway to football , that is so old fashioned, went out years ago I do agree about harping on about Hyde Road tho, it gone and should be consigned to history along with The Firs
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Aug 31, 2007 14:28:05 GMT
Post by stuartroad on Aug 31, 2007 14:28:05 GMT
when you can ride Poland,Sweden, Denmark and now Russia, you are not gonna be bothered what meetings are about. That's the riders' choice, but then the BSPA (and the fans) should say thanks, but no thanks. They they want to pick and choose their meetings, then they should be told to go somewhere else other than Britain. Simple as that. The GPs have undermined the individual meetings though, through overkill. there may or may not be too many gp's,but regardless of that i feel we are at overkill with meaningless league fixtures,not individual meetings,personally track aside my only wish for last night was that it had been devoid of messrs pedersen,adams etc,i enjoy individual competitions and would love to have seen the event minus superstars. and as for days gone by there were numerous meetings when you knew who the winner was before a wheel had turned,obviously the term elite league riders championship is now redundant,but maybe we should be more realistic,and also occasionally give our sport some credit,the performances put in by nickyp,adams and harris was very impressive especially considering they have more important competions to concern them. how about hans giving a go when clearly unfit,and how impressive was davy watt? we have to move with the times and realise the days of all top riders living and riding in this country almost exclusively are long long gone,and we should all work to make the best of what we still do have. oh and jacques,i did not mean to quote your post.
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Aug 31, 2007 15:46:20 GMT
Post by Deleted on Aug 31, 2007 15:46:20 GMT
i feel we are at overkill with meaningless league fixtures,not individual meetings Well that's undoubtedly true, but it shows why it's important to have larger rather than smaller leagues in order to get the variety. In addition, I think league fixtures seem meaningless because some of the riders are obviously thinking about their next fixture. as for days gone by there were numerous meetings when you knew who the winner was before a wheel had turned I wouldn't disagree there were lots of crap events in the past, but the BLRC wasn't one of them. we have to move with the times and realise the days of all top riders living and riding in this country almost exclusively are long long gone Indeed, but certainly doesn't mean we should accept riders picking-and-choosing when they fancy riding here. This sort of nonsense is killing the sport in this country. Contracts should be offered for the whole season, and if riders don't want to commit to every fixture, then shouldn't be signed. Some riders may decide to ride here, some may not, but frankly I'd rather see seven BCL riders if it means they all turn-up and show some commitment week-after-week.
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Aug 31, 2007 16:02:25 GMT
Post by Deleted on Aug 31, 2007 16:02:25 GMT
Oh I totally agree with that!
The majority of the riders in last nights meeting gave it 100% and they're all good riders so to poopoo them is pretty low!
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Aug 31, 2007 16:34:04 GMT
Post by Deleted on Aug 31, 2007 16:34:04 GMT
i feel we are at overkill with meaningless league fixtures,not individual meetings Well that's undoubtedly true, but it shows why it's important to have larger rather than smaller leagues in order to get the variety. In addition, I think league fixtures seem meaningless because some of the riders are obviously thinking about their next fixture. Sorry Kevin, but variety does not equate to meaningful. It could equally be argued that the EL has had less meaningless fixtures since the demise of Oxford because it allowed some of the weaker teams to strengthen as riders were more evenly spread across fewer teams Meaningful meetings are ones where there is something at stake and are competitive - larger leagues often mean one or both teams in a meeting have nothing to ride for come mid season or the teams are so mismatched to that the result is a foregone conclusion
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Aug 31, 2007 17:32:32 GMT
Post by Deleted on Aug 31, 2007 17:32:32 GMT
variety does not equate to meaningful. Absolutely not, but it's one of the factors in keeping spectator interest. However big or small the league, you'll never make ever fixture meaningful. I would ask, if come the end of the season your team is out-of-the-running for honours/'playoffs', would you be more willing to watch a home match against a side you've already watched once, twice or even three times that season, or a side you haven't seen at all yet? It could equally be argued that the EL has had less meaningless fixtures since the demise of Oxford because it allowed some of the weaker teams to strengthen as riders were more evenly spread across fewer teams This season's BEL was a example of what happens if there isn't proper team equalisation, but that could happen in a smaller league as well as larger one. Even with the current riders available, you could still have 16 competitive teams if there was proper distribution, and perhaps some adaption of the heat format. An 8-team league is all very well if you're only running a 14-match programme, but in Britain we'd need to run at least 28 matches and no doubt an additional supplementary competition to have enough fixtures to pay the bills. Riding each team 4-6 times per season can't be good for spectator interest. Meaningful meetings are ones where there is something at stake and are competitive I'd argue it's matches where the crowd go home entertained and want to come back next week (or in two weeks). I don't there's an guarantee of having more entertaining matches in an 8-team league than a 16-team one. You quite often get good matches between what are two mismatched teams on paper.
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Aug 31, 2007 17:56:49 GMT
Post by Deleted on Aug 31, 2007 17:56:49 GMT
The majority of the riders in last nights meeting gave it 100% and they're all good riders so to poopoo them is pretty low! Don't think any of the riders who turned up were getting poopooed Trees - except the Poo Boy of course . erm an awful lot of poo in that post
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Aug 31, 2007 18:33:41 GMT
Post by Deleted on Aug 31, 2007 18:33:41 GMT
So when fans call the meeting a joke what do they mean?
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