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Post by Deleted on Dec 15, 2009 13:34:05 GMT
your reading of the rulebook may say that, mine does not - Wolbert no doubt submitted a medical cert for his absence after taking ill at Berlin Airport - unless of course you have PROOF? think about it - why would Monarchs ask him to miss a double header where he was potentially needed? We had a Pl meeting and Rye in the KO Cup that night - thankfully Rye were not very good! Try dealing in fact instead of believing your own prejudices!! Davy, however there is a rule (not in the rulebook, surprise, surprise) that was used 3 times during 2009 to give a rider an average when they had completed 11 meetings - Tomasz Piszcz, Jordan Frampton, and, ironically, Joe Screen were the three riders involved. Yes, Wolbert did miss the 12th meeting and did have a certificate, but the circumstances were a little suspicious and therefore the 8-11 meeting average rule should have been enforced.Had the Monarchs signed Wolbert with less than 12 meetings to go, I would have had no complaints, but they signed him with around 14-15 PL meetings to go and then arranged for him to only do 11 of them. That is manipulation of the rules.I don't think the Monarchs will win the PL in 2010 (teams starting with two 3.00 riders do not usually triumph), but there's no doubt the lack of ruling over Wolbert's average has given them an unfair head start. In your humble opinion of course, but not that of the governing body of speedway - wee clue that is the BSPA, not OoO In the interest of fairness, how many other riders did NOT have their average re-calculated despite less than 12 meetings ?
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Post by Deleted on Dec 15, 2009 13:38:46 GMT
That would depend on how many points he scored in it. His average excluding bonus points from his 11 PL meetings is 8.75 Are you saying that by not riding in the 12th his average went from an actual 8.75 to an assessed 7.0 ? Because that would be so very wrong. NO - his average after 11 meetings was still an assessed one of 7.00. In accordance with the written rules - you know - the ones in the rulebook, kevin cannot obtain anaverage until he completes 12 meetings in a season. Therefore it is not wrong - it is correct according to the writtren rules in the rulebook - if any other promoters had a problem with that I am sure it would have been discussed at the AGM in November.
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Post by Genghis on Dec 15, 2009 13:50:28 GMT
Davy, however there is a rule (not in the rulebook, surprise, surprise) that was used 3 times during 2009 to give a rider an average when they had completed 11 meetings - Tomasz Piszcz, Jordan Frampton, and, ironically, Joe Screen were the three riders involved. Yes, Wolbert did miss the 12th meeting and did have a certificate, but the circumstances were a little suspicious and therefore the 8-11 meeting average rule should have been enforced.Had the Monarchs signed Wolbert with less than 12 meetings to go, I would have had no complaints, but they signed him with around 14-15 PL meetings to go and then arranged for him to only do 11 of them. That is manipulation of the rules.I don't think the Monarchs will win the PL in 2010 (teams starting with two 3.00 riders do not usually triumph), but there's no doubt the lack of ruling over Wolbert's average has given them an unfair head start. In your humble opinion of course, but not that of the governing body of speedway - wee clue that is the BSPA, not OoO In the interest of fairness, how many other riders did NOT have their average re-calculated despite less than 12 meetings ? But how many did e.g. Joe Screen, Jordan Frampton, Tomasz Piszcz.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 15, 2009 14:07:11 GMT
In your humble opinion of course, but not that of the governing body of speedway - wee clue that is the BSPA, not OoO In the interest of fairness, how many other riders did NOT have their average re-calculated despite less than 12 meetings ? But how many did e.g. Joe Screen, Jordan Frampton, Tomasz Piszcz. Politician's answer there OoO - you ignored the question and merely repeated what you had already said. What I am asking is how exceptional is it for a rider to stay on his assessed average because he did not ride enough meetings? We have to accept that Wolbert was ill, a med cert was provided - just as even JDC had to accept that Rymel was ill in Prague - we can all have our suspicions but at the ned of the day it is facts that matter. fwiw - the BSPA probably should have a look at when a rider obtains an average, but as with all such questions - Screen dropping down too - there has to be a hard and fast rule. If the figure for an average was set at 6 meetings, do we force a rider who gets a higher average after only 4 or 5 to be placed on that higher average? Do we allow EL riders to drop down if they are less than 7, or 8 or 11? in the EL. There has to be a figure somewhere - all too easy to criticise but what is the FAIR alternative?
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Post by Genghis on Dec 17, 2009 13:35:26 GMT
Major coup as Glasgow sign Travis McGowan ;D
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Post by Deleted on Dec 17, 2009 14:28:01 GMT
Major coup as Glasgow sign Travis McGowan ;D Yes, a fantastic signing for the Tigers, Trav will be head and shoulders above every other number 1 in the division, completely different class. The Elite league really is finished isn't it ? Riders who don't ever want to come here(Holta, Jagus etc) Riders who have turned their back(Pedersen, Hancock etc) Capable riders choosing to drop down(McGowan, Howe etc) and riders who want to ride here but get forced out(Swiderski, Andersson etc)
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Post by schumi on Dec 17, 2009 15:29:22 GMT
Could be just what Travis needs to get his confidence back - glad Glasgow have got a decent number one to replace the Messiah.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 17, 2009 19:26:50 GMT
Great signing for the Tiggers and the PL.
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Post by schumi on Dec 22, 2009 14:49:08 GMT
Hot on the heels of the signing of Travis McGowan, the Glasgow A-Plant Tigers have now added two more vital pieces of the jigsaw with two of last years side finding their way back to Ashfield for the 2010 campaign. Both LEE DICKEN and MITCHELL DAVEY have been selected to once again grace the stripes and that means that only one place remains and a low averaged reserve will fill that space.
Dicken and Davey are no strangers to the side, both having ridden at Glasgow last year, indeed Davey is now entering his third season with the side while Dicken has been a prominent member of the side over recent seasons. Both had no hesitation in committing themselves to the side and Co-Promoter Alan Dick is pleased to bring them both on board:
"Once Travis was signed and sealed we sat down to weigh up our options and the long and the short of it all was we were faced with choosing two out of Lee, Mitchell or Anders Andersen. Mitchell had certainly made a very convincing case over the close season not just with his racing, but with his attitude and he is set to make one or two very significant changes to his set-up next year which should reap dividends. So that was one decision made, so it came down to Lee or Anders and there were two reasons why Lee just shaded this particular contest. Certainly the way he finished the last campaign was very encouraging and he appears to have committed a lot to his machinery for this season, but perhaps the main aspects were first of all fitness as we just cannot say for certain how fit Anders will be come the start of the season after his leg break, and while everything is on schedule for that to be the case, it was a factor in choosing Lee, but perhaps the overriding factor was that with Lee in the side then Mitchell will start at reserve and that is important in our thinking.
It really was a tight decision and it is a very difficult call to have to leave Anders out of the side but our hope is that he proves his fitness, either here or on the continent, and stakes a claim for a place in the side should one arise at any time. So that is now six riders in place and it is a case of looking at all the options before plumping for our second reserve. We have not set any timescale for that now and we will assess all options before choosing."
team so far: Travis McGowan 11.72 James Grieves 8.34 Josh Grajczonek 6.28 Robert Ksiezak 5.01 Mitchell Davey 3.77 Lee Dicken 4.08 TOTAL 39.20www.glasgowspeedway.co.uk
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Post by schumi on Jan 11, 2010 12:55:00 GMT
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Post by Genghis on Jan 11, 2010 13:13:49 GMT
Excellent signing.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 17, 2010 13:19:18 GMT
So 9 weeks today these will be the seven riders living the dream of riding for the Glasgow Tigers . 1 Travis McGowan 2 Lee Dicken 3 Robert Ksiezak 4 Josh Grajczonek 5 James Grieves 6 Jamie Courtney 7 Mitchell Davey and waiting in the wings Michael Penfold and Nick Morris . One or two will need to up their game or it could be another disappointing season , but everybody at this time of year hopes it will be their turn in the coming season . We are no different .
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Post by schumi on Jun 8, 2010 6:37:25 GMT
The Glasgow "A-Plant" Tigers are delighted to be able to announce the signing of one of the most exciting riders seen in Britain for many years with the capture of JOE SCREEN from the Elite League.
Screenie was wanted by the Tigers at the start of the season but were ruled out by the complex average rules which govern the sport. However a spell with Wolverhampton at start of the season saw him attain an average which has allowed him to drop into the Premier League and Glasgow is his destination. And in a massive boost for Glasgow fans, Screenie will not only ride for this season, but has committed himself to the Ashfield outfit for 2011 too!Full story at www.glasgowspeedway.co.uk/news.php?subaction=showfull&id=1275941885&archive=&start_from=&ucat=26&One or two EL fans will be heaving a sigh of relief!
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