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Post by Genghis on Dec 12, 2009 19:31:17 GMT
It doesn't appear to be a level playing field. Agreed, considering the shortage of talent in the British speedway, Screen and Wolbert should both be riding in the higher division. Who (club wise) is now in control at the BSPA ? as it seem's that Poole, KL and Edinburgh are gettting the 'rub of the green' shall we say. Hatcham, The new management committee is: Alex Harkess (Edinburgh) - chairman Matt Ford (Poole) Jon Cook (Lakeside) Jonathan Chapman (King's Lynn) Neil Machin (Sheffield) I like to see fairness and a level playing field, but I'm not sure if that is happening at the moment.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 12, 2009 22:00:06 GMT
Agreed, considering the shortage of talent in the British speedway, Screen and Wolbert should both be riding in the higher division. Who (club wise) is now in control at the BSPA ? as it seem's that Poole, KL and Edinburgh are gettting the 'rub of the green' shall we say. Hatcham, The new management committee is: Alex Harkess (Edinburgh) - chairman Matt Ford (Poole) Jon Cook (Lakeside) Jonathan Chapman (King's Lynn) Neil Machin (Sheffield) I like to see fairness and a level playing field, but I'm not sure if that is happening at the moment. Here's hoping Cookie can arrange something where Emil Sayfutdinov becomes Lakeside's reserve on a 3.00 average.....go for it Cookie!!!
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Post by Genghis on Dec 12, 2009 22:13:50 GMT
Here's hoping Cookie can arrange something where Emil Sayfutdinov becomes Lakeside's reserve on a 3.00 average.....go for it Cookie!!! Kev, Jon Cook is one of the more reputable promoters - I would be surprised if he used to position to favour Lakeside.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 13, 2009 1:58:45 GMT
Oh dear here we go again. That's some chip you have there. ML, you have to admit it's starting to take the biscuit. Edinburgh have got away with fiddling in Wolbert on 7.00 (when clearly he was told to miss the 12th meeting in 2009, and therefore the 8-11 meeting rule should apply), while Glasgow aren't allowed to sign Screen on 12.00 even though the rulebook suggests they should be able to. It doesn't appear to be a level playing field. your reading of the rulebook may say that, mine does not - Wolbert no doubt submitted a medical cert for his absence after taking ill at Berlin Airport - unless of course you have PROOF? think about it - why would Monarchs ask him to miss a double header where he was potentially needed? We had a Pl meeting and Rye in the KO Cup that night - thankfully Rye were not very good! Try dealing in fact instead of believing your own prejudices!!
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Post by Deleted on Dec 13, 2009 2:00:10 GMT
[ Not at all - give Edinburgh the PL title now as far as I'm concerned (and Harkess seems so desperate to have it that he'd do anything to get it). Just don't expect me to cough over any money to watch it. I couldn't give a toss about whether you watch any of it or not. The point is as far as you are concerned there is only one person to blame for anything that you don't agree with despite the FACT there are 5 members on the committee. All this Harkess/Edinburgh crap started with you when you walked out of Armadale after a bad decision by the ref against Berwick. You insinuated back then that things were dodgy and it's this absolute paranoia I can't be doing with.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 13, 2009 2:00:53 GMT
Oh dear here we go again. That's some chip you have there. Not at all - give Edinburgh the PL title now as far as I'm concerned (and Harkess seems so desperate to have it that he'd do anything to get it). Just don't expect me to cough over any money to watch it. Come on Sube, you are getting carried away now - have a wee lie down and we'll see you at the dale next season, maybe arriving at Armadale Train Station?
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Post by Genghis on Dec 13, 2009 9:29:10 GMT
ML, you have to admit it's starting to take the biscuit. Edinburgh have got away with fiddling in Wolbert on 7.00 (when clearly he was told to miss the 12th meeting in 2009, and therefore the 8-11 meeting rule should apply), while Glasgow aren't allowed to sign Screen on 12.00 even though the rulebook suggests they should be able to. It doesn't appear to be a level playing field. your reading of the rulebook may say that, mine does not - Wolbert no doubt submitted a medical cert for his absence after taking ill at Berlin Airport - unless of course you have PROOF? think about it - why would Monarchs ask him to miss a double header where he was potentially needed? We had a Pl meeting and Rye in the KO Cup that night - thankfully Rye were not very good! Try dealing in fact instead of believing your own prejudices!! Davy, however there is a rule (not in the rulebook, surprise, surprise) that was used 3 times during 2009 to give a rider an average when they had completed 11 meetings - Tomasz Piszcz, Jordan Frampton, and, ironically, Joe Screen were the three riders involved. Yes, Wolbert did miss the 12th meeting and did have a certificate, but the circumstances were a little suspicious and therefore the 8-11 meeting average rule should have been enforced. Had the Monarchs signed Wolbert with less than 12 meetings to go, I would have had no complaints, but they signed him with around 14-15 PL meetings to go and then arranged for him to only do 11 of them. That is manipulation of the rules. I don't think the Monarchs will win the PL in 2010 (teams starting with two 3.00 riders do not usually triumph), but there's no doubt the lack of ruling over Wolbert's average has given them an unfair head start.
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Post by schumi on Dec 13, 2009 10:39:14 GMT
Out of interest, what would Wolbert's average have been had he completed that 12th meeting?
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Post by Deleted on Dec 13, 2009 11:03:57 GMT
Out of interest, what would Wolbert's average have been had he completed that 12th meeting? That would depend on how many points he scored in it. His average excluding bonus points from his 11 PL meetings is 8.75
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Post by schumi on Dec 13, 2009 11:09:11 GMT
Out of interest, what would Wolbert's average have been had he completed that 12th meeting? That would depend on how many points he scored in it. Okay, from the 11th then?
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Post by admin on Dec 13, 2009 11:23:39 GMT
Come on Sube, you are getting carried away now - have a wee lie down and we'll see you at the dale next season, maybe arriving at Armadale Train Station? I've had a lie down, but you'll not see me at Armadale or anywhere next season. If I had the inclination I could probably think of a million better things to waste my hard earned on than British speedway. And the Airdrie to Bathgate line doesn't open until December 2010, assuming everything goes to plan.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 13, 2009 11:23:41 GMT
Out of interest, what would Wolbert's average have been had he completed that 12th meeting? That would depend on how many points he scored in it. His average excluding bonus points from his 11 PL meetings is 8.75 Are you saying that by not riding in the 12th his average went from an actual 8.75 to an assessed 7.0 ? Because that would be so very wrong.
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Post by admin on Dec 13, 2009 11:26:34 GMT
Are you saying that by not riding in the 12th his average went from an actual 8.75 to an assessed 7.0 ? That is exactly what he's saying. And he's correct. Going off the precedent set last season Wolbert's average should be 8.75, but that didn't suit the all-powerful Harkess, so Wolbert got his assessed 7.00 average.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 13, 2009 11:27:24 GMT
That would depend on how many points he scored in it. His average excluding bonus points from his 11 PL meetings is 8.75 Are you saying that by not riding in the 12th his average went from an actual 8.75 to an assessed 7.0 ? Because that would be so very wrong. That would appear to be the case wouldn't it?
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Post by admin on Dec 13, 2009 11:30:22 GMT
Davy, however there is a rule (not in the rulebook, surprise, surprise) that was used 3 times during 2009 to give a rider an average when they had completed 11 meetings - Tomasz Piszcz, Jordan Frampton, and, ironically, Joe Screen were the three riders involved. That was a very sensible rule and as I said at the time it should be the norm.
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