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Post by Deleted on Sept 25, 2009 16:28:41 GMT
I see the line up for the 2010 season being.
Crump Sajfutdinov Pedersen Hancock Gollob Jonsson Bjerre Lindgren Hampel Zetterstrom Holder Harris Woffinden
Plus two others from Zagar, Lindback, Adams, Andersen, Holta or who ?
My guess is Adams and Lindback, what does everyone else think it will be ? And please don't go down the road of "Britain doesn't deserve two entrants, Blah Blah Blah" because we all know its a sham, i'm just interested in WHO the 15 will be not who should.
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Post by admin on Sept 25, 2009 17:26:57 GMT
Harris is a joke, end of discussion - he's never once qualified for the GPs and apart from an outbreak of swine flu killing all the semi-decent riders, he never will.
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Post by schumi on Sept 25, 2009 17:47:51 GMT
Hampel Zetterstrom Holder
They're in - like it or lump it.
Crump Sajfutdinov Pedersen Hancock Gollob Jonsson Bjerre Lindgren
Probable top 8 finishers, so in too.
That leaves four nominations. Based on Holder's qualification, and Adams' likely impending retirement, I don't think it'll be an Australian.
Woffinden, last I read, seemed to be thinking he'll get the wildcard at Cardiff, so that rules him out of a nomination.
Supposedly, we're having two riders, and if that's true I think it'll be Harris and Richardson - Harris made the final of the GP challenge, and Richardson is the best Brit, and only pulled out of the qualifiers because of a kidney infection.
So that leaves two more, and I think they'll go to Andersen and Zagar.
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Post by admin on Sept 25, 2009 21:50:57 GMT
It could get interesting, when you look at the nationalities, which you have to factor into things, apparently. The qualifiers from Brandon were:
Magnus Zetterstrom (SWE) Chris Holder (AUS) Jaroslaw Hampel (POL)
The certain qualifiers from this season's GPs are, in my less than humble opinion:
Jason Crump (AUS) Emil Sajfutdinov, occasionally referred to as the "Russian nutcase" (RUS) Tomasz Gollob (POL) Greg Hancock (USA) Andreas Jonsson (SWE) Kenneth Bjerre (DEN)
Although his qualification is uncertain, the soon-to-be-dethroned champion will be around in 2010, so we can add his name:
N Pedersen (DEN)
So, that's ten out of fifteen and the nationality breaks down as follows:
Sweden..2 Australia..2 Poland..2 United States of America..1 Russia..1 Denmark..1
Traditionally Poland and Denmark have AT LEAST three riders in the GPs, with Sweden, Australia and Britain weighing in with two each. However, if Lindgren qualifies Sweden will have three and if Leigh Adams decides not to retire, I can't see anyone having the balls not to give him a nomination (I think he'll call it quits, but you never know, he'll not be happy about going out on such a poor note), which will leave the Australians with three also. It all seems to add up to a squeeze on the Poles, Danes and Britons.
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Post by admin on Sept 27, 2009 10:29:04 GMT
All of a sudden it begins to look not so good for Lindgren, as he slips out of the top eight after disappointing in Terenzano. And his form in Poland can be very "iffy". I think the Lindgren begging bowl will be putting in another appearance, leaving the powers-that-be to decide between him and the erratic princeling. Either way, Sweden ought to be back up to three permanent members next season.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 27, 2009 10:33:44 GMT
All of a sudden it begins to look not so good for Lindgren, as he slips out of the top eight after disappointing in Terenzano. And his form in Poland can be very "iffy". I think the Lindgren begging bowl will be putting in another appearance, leaving the powers-that-be to decide between him and the erratic princeling. Either way, Sweden ought to be back up to three permanent members next season. Lindgren failing to make the top 8 will be bad news for someone, but not Freddie, he is an absolute certainty to recieve a wild card, and he won't need to beg for it, they(powers that be) will be begging him.
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Post by admin on Sept 27, 2009 10:48:42 GMT
Lindgren failing to make the top 8 will be bad news for someone, but not Freddie, he is an absolute certainty to recieve a wild card, and he won't need to beg for it, they(powers that be) will be begging him. Why? What's he achieved? With Jonsson and Zetterstrom already in for next season, Sweden will only get a single nomination and having had Lindback as their "wild card" for both GPs held in Sweden he is obviously also a contender for the nomination. Lindback or Lindgren will be the choice. And Lindback is probably better "box office" than Lindgren.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 27, 2009 11:04:07 GMT
Lindgren failing to make the top 8 will be bad news for someone, but not Freddie, he is an absolute certainty to recieve a wild card, and he won't need to beg for it, they(powers that be) will be begging him. Why? What's he achieved? With Jonsson and Zetterstrom already in for next season, Sweden will only get a single nomination and having had Lindback as their "wild card" for both GPs held in Sweden he is obviously also a contender for the nomination. Lindback or Lindgren will be the choice. And Lindback is probably better "box office" than Lindgren. Like it or not Lindgren is perceived as a future world champion and the fact he rides in Britain is hugely in his favour, surely you have worked out the corrupt system is based on nationality and presumed potential which is why Woffinden will receive a wild card nomination.
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Post by admin on Sept 27, 2009 11:39:25 GMT
And Lindback is also perceived to be a future world champion, so Lindgren might not be as cut and dried as you perceive. And Hampel, Zagar and Andersen were both perceived "future world champions" shown the door in previous years.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 27, 2009 12:11:20 GMT
And Lindback is also perceived to be a future world champion, so Lindgren might not be as cut and dried as you perceive. And Hampel, Zagar and Andersen were both perceived "future world champions" shown the door in previous years. Lets be clear Sub, i am not a supporter of the current system, in fact i'm becoming increasingly fed up with the GP's full stop, they are becoming tedious and should be replaced, not though by the old system which was flawed and unfair, but by something new and innovative, such as a GP type system involving many more riders in a qualification process leading to a one off final, in fact its not that innovative as the system i propose would be similar to the one used in the 1930's, however its not about what you or i want but what will happen. Several years ago when Andersen was not offered a place most of the GP field rode in Britain and the talented old guard were not so old, so Hans was expendable, British speedway is so short on real talent these days Zagar has been welcomed back as some sort of superstar, when he was unwanted he was merely a decent number two in a pretty strong league. As for Hampel was he riding here when he was discarded ? even if he was the Poles always plenty of competitors. Its quite clear that the GP organizers feel it vital to keep sky happy, and they are only interested in their British viewers.
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Post by admin on Sept 27, 2009 12:18:30 GMT
One can't help but wonder why the Dullard and Iversen were dropped if all that matters is riding in the Elite League.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 27, 2009 12:26:46 GMT
One can't help but wonder why the Dullard and Iversen were dropped if all that matters is riding in the Elite League. I thought Bjarne wanted out regardless, but to answer your question, there are what, 4 wild card slots ? Britain normally nicks two of them, giving Sajfutdinov a place was a no-brainer so Iversen was discarded for the higher rated Lindgren.
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Post by admin on Sept 27, 2009 12:35:46 GMT
I thought Bjarne wanted out regardless, but to answer your question, there are what, 4 wild card slots ? Britain normally nicks two of them, giving Sajfutdinov a place was a no-brainer so Iversen was discarded for the higher rated Lindgren. Therein lies your lack of understanding of the corrupt system. It wasn't so much that Lindgren was "higher rated", it was that Sweden, home to two GPs, was stuck with just a single rider in the series, so retaining Lindgren gave Sweden their quota of two riders. Sweden already has two certain riders for next season, but a decline in Polish representation (maybe only two next season) means room for a Swedish nomination if Lindgren doesn't make it - but will it be Lindgren, or the bigger "box office" attraction of the erratic princeling?
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Post by Deleted on Sept 27, 2009 12:40:38 GMT
I almost hope Lindgren doesn't get a wild card. In truth, I'm really starting to question his credentials overall. Seems to "sane", read careful to ever really make the top.
He's been far from convincing outside Wolverhampton this year, unreliable both in Poland and Sweden. Perhaps a year out of the GP's could make him up his game in the leagues.
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Post by admin on Sept 27, 2009 12:47:16 GMT
I almost hope Lindgren doesn't get a wild card. In truth, I'm really starting to question his credentials overall. I agree, he's only been convincing in the very weak Elite League - he's been hit and miss in Poland. And more miss than hit. Worth remembering that he led the series after the first GP and since then he's just been slipping down the rankings. The same as last season, when he scored massively at Gothenburg and then did bugger all.
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