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Post by schumi on Sept 7, 2008 15:24:40 GMT
Anyway, I always write a report, but this one was tricky considering the amount of action going on. However, for anyone who didn't see it:
Three laps to go and the rain starts to fall as Hamilton closes in on Raikkonen. Side by side into the hairpin and Hamilton ran wide, having to concede the place. Then Hamilton nailed it into the next bend, but Raikkonen caught the rear of his car. Hamilton spins, allowing Kimi through, followed immediately by Raikkonen spinning and the lead again changing – the weather playing a part. Two laps to go and Raikkonen drops it into the wall, retiring. Hamilton nearly off in eau rouge with Massa behind him, and tiptoes round to finish the race.
Bloody exciting though!
Edit: top three:
1..L Hamilton 2..F Massa 3..N Heidfeld
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Post by Genghis on Sept 7, 2008 16:08:59 GMT
Investigating what for fuck's sake? Hamilton allowed Raikkonen back through. I think they're saying Hamilton did it in such a way as to gain the advantage (position on track) into the next bend. Don't ask me - I thought it was fine. It was fine. I can't even believe it's being looked at.
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Post by schumi on Sept 7, 2008 16:16:35 GMT
From PlanetF1:
In a hugely controversial decision, Lewis Hamilton has been stripped of his victory in the Belgium GP.
After reviewing footage of his duel with Kimi Raikkonen for over two hours, race stewards have added twenty-five seconds to Hamilton's race time.
As a result, he is demoted to third from first.
Glock also penalised.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 7, 2008 16:18:39 GMT
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Post by schumi on Sept 7, 2008 16:43:04 GMT
Agreed, especially when you consider this:
Again from PF1:
Hamilton himself - along with McLaren boss Ron Dennis who revealed that the team had contacted Race Director during the race to check that Hamilton had acted within the rules - was adamant that not advantage had been gained after he allowed Raikkonen to retake the lead.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 7, 2008 16:51:24 GMT
I don't understand what advantage he was supposed to have gained
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Post by Genghis on Sept 7, 2008 16:55:53 GMT
I really get even be bothered to get angry anymore. If they are trying to encourage people to stop watching F1 then they are succeeding.
Anyway, 25 second penalty? Surely a 10-second penatly is the usual punishment? Even though it shouldn't be applied in this case in the first place.
I give up.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 7, 2008 18:22:12 GMT
Anyway, 25 second penalty? Surely a 10-second penatly is the usual punishment? Even though it shouldn't be applied in this case in the first place. This is only a wild guess but a 10 second penalty wouldn't have handed the win to Ferrari so the 'lets pick a punishment' ball got rolled again (strangely the side that says 'milld slap on the wrist and a 10,000 euros fine' only comes up when the car being investigated is red )
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Post by schumi on Sept 7, 2008 19:06:17 GMT
Anyway, 25 second penalty? Surely a 10-second penatly is the usual punishment? Even though it shouldn't be applied in this case in the first place. This is only a wild guess but a 10 second penalty wouldn't have handed the win to Ferrari so the 'lets pick a punishment' ball got rolled again (strangely the side that says 'milld slap on the wrist and a 10,000 euros fine' only comes up when the car being investigated is red ) The rules: 16.3 The stewards may impose any one of three penalties on any driver involved in an Incident: a) A drive-through penalty. The driver must enter the pit lane and re-join the race without stopping; b) A ten second time penalty. The driver must enter the pit lane, stop at his pit for at least ten seconds and then re-join the race. c) a drop of ten grid positions at the driver's next Event. However, should either of the penalties under a) and b) above be imposed during the last five laps, or after the end of a race, Article 16.4b) below will not apply and 25 seconds will be added to the elapsed race time of the driver concerned.
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Post by Genghis on Sept 7, 2008 19:34:00 GMT
Schumi,
That's the rules, but what was Hamilton guilty of? They showed it again on the news and I still can't see what he did wrong - he let Raikkonen back through.
At least the final F1 race I saw was a good one - shame about the crap that followed it.
Anyone still claiming that F1 is a "sport" should be read the Trades Description Act.
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Post by schumi on Sept 7, 2008 19:35:21 GMT
That's the rules, but what was Hamilton guilty of? That, I don't know.
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Post by admin on Sept 7, 2008 19:42:06 GMT
But the fat stewards haven't sung yet. And they're investigating Raikkonen and Hamilton, so expect to see the Ferrari man exonerated, while the McLaren man is disqualified and penalised with a twenty-place grid penalty for the next Grand Prix. You see now how predictable the anti-McLaren bias is? Okay, the grid penalty hasn't appeared. But that'll be tagged on when they toss McLaren's appeal out.
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Post by Genghis on Sept 7, 2008 19:45:42 GMT
That's the rules, but what was Hamilton guilty of? That, I don't know. Me neither. It's the worst decision since race-winner Senna was disqualified from the 1989 Japanese GP after Prost took him off the track. That ultimately cost Balestre his job, will this cost Mosley his? I very much doubt it?
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Post by schumi on Sept 7, 2008 20:08:55 GMT
See, it's difficult for me, as a Ferrari fan. I don't think Lewis did anything wrong, and the result should have stood, but when I read comments about the FIA being in Ferrari's back pocket it makes me a bit defensive. I don't like to think of the championship being won in this way - I want Ferrari to win it fair and square (also makes gloating much more satisfying). When I hear of decisions like this I want to believe that the FIA acted on their own, and that it wasn't the result of a Ferrari complaint, but I think it probably was. However, I refuse to believe that Ferrari (and Massa) can take any satisfaction in the way this race has been "won", and I can only hope the championship doesn't depend on it.
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Post by Genghis on Sept 7, 2008 20:21:42 GMT
See, it's difficult for me, as a Ferrari fan. I don't think Lewis did anything wrong, and the result should have stood, but when I read comments about the FIA being in Ferrari's back pocket it makes me a bit defensive. I don't like to think of the championship being won in this way - I want Ferrari to win it fair and square (also makes gloating much more satisfying). When I hear of decisions like this I want to believe that the FIA acted on their own, and that it wasn't the result of a Ferrari complaint, but I think it probably was. However, I refuse to believe that Ferrari (and Massa) can take any satisfaction in the way this race has been "won", and I can only hope the championship doesn't depend on it. Schumi - fair play to you.
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