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Post by Deleted on Sept 4, 2008 21:14:56 GMT
You are mistaking courage which gollob has in spades with bottle which pedersen and hancock have in spades No. Gollob has bottle as well. Just imagine the intense pressure he is under at Bydgoszcz, with 20,000 screaming Poles cheering for him. And yet he's won that GP time and time again. And look at the final race of the 2007 World Cup. Who pulled it out under intense pressure in the final race. Yes but some level of bottle is needed to win any race, for gods sake even nicholls has shown bottle to keep winning the british championship, but the bottle needed to WIN a world title in either format(one off or gp) is a completely different matter,and gollob like adams despite having the talent comes up well short in that department.
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Post by Genghis on Sept 4, 2008 21:18:03 GMT
No. Gollob has bottle as well. Just imagine the intense pressure he is under at Bydgoszcz, with 20,000 screaming Poles cheering for him. And yet he's won that GP time and time again. And look at the final race of the 2007 World Cup. Who pulled it out under intense pressure in the final race. Yes but some level of bottle is needed to win any race, for gods sake even nicholls has shown bottle to keep winning the british championship, but the bottle needed to WIN a world title in either format(one off or gp) is a completely different matter,and gollob like adams despite having the talent come up well short in that department. So you're seriously suggesting that, for example, Gary Havelock has more bottle than Tomasz Gollob.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 4, 2008 21:23:39 GMT
Yes but some level of bottle is needed to win any race, for gods sake even nicholls has shown bottle to keep winning the british championship, but the bottle needed to WIN a world title in either format(one off or gp) is a completely different matter,and gollob like adams despite having the talent come up well short in that department. So you're seriously suggesting that, for example, Gary Havelock has more bottle than Tomasz Gollob. Without question, havelock proved it, as did jerzy sz, regardless of his lack of talent. champions win, also rans make excuses.
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Post by Genghis on Sept 4, 2008 21:26:13 GMT
So you're seriously suggesting that, for example, Gary Havelock has more bottle than Tomasz Gollob. Without question, havelock proved it, as did jerzy sz, regardless of his lack of talent. champions win, also rans make excuses. You're talking bollocks.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 4, 2008 21:28:08 GMT
Without question, havelock proved it, as did jerzy sz, regardless of his lack of talent. champions win, also rans make excuses. You're talking bollocks. I do have principles genghis i would never steal someone else's wife and i would never steal your job.
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Post by Genghis on Sept 4, 2008 21:30:17 GMT
You're talking bollocks. I do have principles genghis i would never steal someone else's wife and i would never steal your job. I share your principles, hatcham. What's it got to do with this thread, though.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 4, 2008 21:35:40 GMT
What's it got to do with this thread, though. I thought it was generally agreed that talking bollocks was solely your remit.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 4, 2008 21:36:19 GMT
I do have principles genghis i would never steal someone else's wife and i would never steal your job. I share your principles, hatcham. What's it got to do with this thread, though. If i wanted to prove my point, i might mention how your logo claims dryml is the world number 15 by virtue of him being the worst rider in the gp series, yet you opinionate that the winner of the world championship has no right to claim number one status, or do you ? your comments are so conflicting my miniscule brain is confused.
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Post by Genghis on Sept 4, 2008 21:40:11 GMT
I thought it was generally agreed that talking bollocks was solely your remit. Ah, I see. I think there's plenty of bollocks spoken on forums, though. It's not restricted solely to myself.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 4, 2008 21:46:17 GMT
I thought it was generally agreed that talking bollocks was solely your remit. Ah, I see. I think there's plenty of bollocks spoken on forums, though. It's not restricted solely to myself. True, many are called but few are chosen. clearly you sub and shovlar are in a different league to the rest of us
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Post by admin on Sept 4, 2008 22:00:26 GMT
And look at the final race of the 2007 World Cup. Who pulled it out under intense pressure in the final race. I'd have to say that I still think Gollob's ride to keep Crump behind him in the SWC race-off at Poole was the best example of Gollob producing the good under pressure. And here it is: www.youtube.com/watch?v=z3SGw9rw8lk
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Post by Deleted on Sept 5, 2008 8:20:51 GMT
I don't think people realise how near Gollob was to winning the world title. 2 GP wins and a third in the first three GPs of the season and then has an awful crash and goes over the fence (it's flying about on youtube somewhere). Rushes back, performs well but Rickardsson was just an inch better. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1999_Speedway_Grand_PrixHe's won enough SWC's anyway to claim a legacy. The lad has bottle, his move on Pedersen last season anyone?
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Post by Genghis on Sept 5, 2008 12:02:24 GMT
And look at the final race of the 2007 World Cup. Who pulled it out under intense pressure in the final race. I'd have to say that I still think Gollob's ride to keep Crump behind him in the SWC race-off at Poole was the best example of Gollob producing the good under pressure. And here it is: www.youtube.com/watch?v=z3SGw9rw8lkSub - exactly. For once, we are agreed. Gollob has bottle - and plenty of it. However, since the advent of the GP series, consistency has replaced bottle as the commodity most needed to become World Champion. And this has proved to be the undoing of Gollob. It's a huge shame he'll never be World Champion. Although it does mean that Sub will owe me £20 once he retires (I haven't forgotten our wager. )
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Post by Genghis on Sept 5, 2008 12:03:19 GMT
Ah, I see. I think there's plenty of bollocks spoken on forums, though. It's not restricted solely to myself. True, many are called but few are chosen. clearly you sub and shovlar are in a different league to the rest of us I'm trying to work out whether I should accept this as a compliment or not.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 5, 2008 12:14:07 GMT
I'd have to say that I still think Gollob's ride to keep Crump behind him in the SWC race-off at Poole was the best example of Gollob producing the good under pressure. And here it is: www.youtube.com/watch?v=z3SGw9rw8lkSub - exactly. For once, we are agreed. Gollob has bottle - and plenty of it. Once again genghis you seem to confuse bottle with courage, gollob is undoubtably very brave and may well have balls of steel, but he does not have the mental toughness to close out a world championship,pedersen,crump,hancock and rickardsson before them had the single minded determination to see the job through when the time was right, riders like gollob and adams will always have days where they just dont fancy it,and that is why they will never have world individual champion on their cv
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