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Post by admin on Nov 15, 2009 11:21:39 GMT
I don't accept that Britain has a God-given (and, let's face facts, Bellamy and Postlethwaite before him believed they were Gods) right to have two entrants. It does British speedway and its riders no good at all. The likes of Bummer know that all they have to do is keep ahead of a bunch of even bigger nonentities than they are themselves and they'll get picked. When was the last time the rider who finished fourteenth got a nomination? I have neither the time, nor the inclination to check, but I suspect it could well be Richardson in 2005. Kasprzak certainly didn't in 2008 and nor did Zagar the season before. History suggests that getting charity nominations does no good whatsoever. How many has the global superstar enjoyed? Year after year the terminally deluded opined that the global superstar would take advantage of the reprieve; he never did. And nor will Harris. And "Wuffy, Wuffy, Wuffy" is heading the same way - taking the easy route. He started that when he decided he'd be British. Being British is an easy route to the GPs. A lot easier than being Australian, where Crump, Holder and Ward would be way ahead of him in the picking order. Ward's already a better rider. But I sense the tide is turning and yet more charity nominations year after year will just bring ridicule and scorn upon those who sponsor the nominees (Bellamy) and the GPs themselves. Woffinden is no Sajfutdinov. He'll be out of his depth and left on the tracks of Torun, Bydgoszcz, Terenzano and the like for roadkill.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 15, 2009 11:43:11 GMT
I don't accept that Britain has a God-given (and, let's face facts, Bellamy and Postlethwaite before him believed they were Gods) right to have two entrants. It does British speedway and its riders no good at all. The likes of Bummer know that all they have to do is keep ahead of a bunch of even bigger nonentities than they are themselves and they'll get picked. When was the last time the rider who finished fourteenth got a nomination? I have neither the time, nor the inclination to check, but I suspect it could well be Richardson in 2005. Kasprzak certainly didn't in 2008 and nor did Zagar the season before. History suggests that getting charity nominations does no good whatsoever. How many has the global superstar enjoyed? Year after year the terminally deluded opined that the global superstar would take advantage of the reprieve; he never did. And nor will Harris. And "Wuffy, Wuffy, Wuffy" is heading the same way - taking the easy route. He started that when he decided he'd be British. Being British is an easy route to the GPs. A lot easier than being Australian, where Crump, Holder and Ward would be way ahead of him in the picking order. Ward's already a better rider. But I sense the tide is turning and yet more charity nominations year after year will just bring ridicule and scorn upon those who sponsor the nominees (Bellamy) and the GPs themselves. Woffinden is no Sajfutdinov. He'll be out of his depth and left on the tracks of Torun, Bydgoszcz, Terenzano and the like for roadkill. I can't disagree with the sentiment of your post, British speedway finds itself in the same position as American and Mexican football, by being gifted an easy passage into the ultimate sporting arena. Maybe if the groundswell of opinion was to gather strength the system would change, or in an ideal world, lesser nations such as Italy, Hungary, Croatia, Slovenia etc would improve, forcing the nomination down to one. Surely though you would conceed, that the system is far from unique, that if Britain has two picks, it's right and proper that Harris is one of them, and that the competition would fade and die if all riders hailed from two or three nations. It is also well worth remembering that whilst Britain has been favoured, and certain foreign riders have received something of a raw deal, we would struggle to name alternative riders, who could guarantee better performances. Maybe in a few years time, when Crump, Gollob, Pedersen and Hancock have all retired and Sajfutdinov is locked up for being a lunatic, the lesser riders will provide some interesting competition.
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Post by Genghis on Nov 15, 2009 12:26:07 GMT
Hatcham, Ellesse tops are so 1990s (which is when I had one ). You need to get up-to-date. Actually old chap Ellesse tops and Lois jeans were in fashion in the early to mid 80's, which was when NFL first appeared on our screens ! That was the point of my tongue-in-cheek post, it was all a bit of a whoosh for you though wasn't it ? where's Orion when you need him ? Hatcham, on the contrary, the whoooosh is all yours. You bite every time.
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Post by admin on Nov 15, 2009 12:28:30 GMT
Surely though you would conceed, that the system is far from unique, that if Britain has two picks, it's right and proper that Harris is one of them, and that the competition would fade and die if all riders hailed from two or three nations. Since I don't accept the right of Britain to have at least two riders in the circus, I don't trouble myself over which nonentities deserve it more than the other nonentities. As to your second point, surely the inclusion of two British nonentities prevents the expansion of the series to include riders from other nations. By and large the Poles qualify, while the Danes and Swedes usually manage to find a qualifier or two (and with 2010's qualification final being held at Vojens expect Danes to dominate that), it's just Britain that constantly gets out the begging bowl, preventing riders such as Laguta (Russia) and Zagar (Slovenia) from claiming a place. In due course riders such as Laguta Jnr (Russia), Bogdanovs (Latvia), Vaculik (Slovakia) and Pavlic (Croatia) might find their path blocked by a couple of British no-hopers guaranteed a position by Bellamy. Mind you, Pavlic's career seems to be drifting aimlessly at the minute - he could almost be British.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 15, 2009 12:55:32 GMT
Actually old chap Ellesse tops and Lois jeans were in fashion in the early to mid 80's, which was when NFL first appeared on our screens ! That was the point of my tongue-in-cheek post, it was all a bit of a whoosh for you though wasn't it ? where's Orion when you need him ? Hatcham, on the contrary, the whoooosh is all yours. You bite every time. I was tempted to throw you a bone Genghis, but it's so funny how you proved my Dibley theory. By the end of the 80's i was using my Ellesse tops as rags to wash the car, whilst over in your sartorial wilderness they weren't even in the shops until the 90's(and i bet you mean 98/99)
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Post by Genghis on Nov 15, 2009 12:56:55 GMT
And "Wuffy, Wuffy, Wuffy" is heading the same way - taking the easy route. He started that when he decided he'd be British. Being British is an easy route to the GPs. A lot easier than being Australian, where Crump, Holder and Ward would be way ahead of him in the picking order. Ward's already a better rider. Woffinden didn't choose to be British - he IS British. His dad is British, his mum is British and he was born in England.
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Post by Genghis on Nov 15, 2009 12:59:14 GMT
Hatcham, on the contrary, the whoooosh is all yours. You bite every time. I was tempted to throw you a bone Genghis, but it's so funny how you proved my Dibley theory. By the end of the 80's i was using my Ellesse tops as rags to wash the car, whilst over in your sartorial wilderness they weren't even in the shops until the 90's(and i bet you mean 98/99) Who said they weren't in the shops in the 1980s. I tend to avoid the current fashions - I don't like being one of the sheep masses.
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Post by admin on Nov 15, 2009 13:02:35 GMT
Woffinden didn't choose to be British - he IS British. His dad is British, his mum is British and he was born in England. But he could've chosen to race as an Australian or as a Briton, so he did choose to be British in speedway terms. And he took that decision because it made it easier for him to advance. Had he decided to race as an Australian he'd currently be nowhere near the GPs. He took the easy path. It's seldom a good option.
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Post by Genghis on Nov 15, 2009 13:19:40 GMT
Woffinden didn't choose to be British - he IS British. His dad is British, his mum is British and he was born in England. But he could've chosen to race as an Australian or as a Briton, so he did choose to be British in speedway terms. And he took that decision because it made it easier for him to advance. Had he decided to race as an Australian he'd currently be nowhere near the GPs. He took the easy path. It's seldom a good option. How do you know he took that decision for that reason? I very much doubt if that was the reason. More likely because he felt it was the right thing to do, in recognition of his dad, who had probably been fighting cancer long before the public annonucement. I really don't understand what you've got against young Woffinden. He's got a very mature head on his shoulders. He's our best young rider and did very well in his first Elite League season this year. Good on him. I wish young Woffinden well in the GP series next year. I hope Harris has a good year as well, even though I don't agree on his inclusion. A rider who has never qualified (and not even been remotely close the last two years) should not be given four bites at the cherry. But he's British and he's in there, so I'll be cheering him on at Cardiff and Malilla.
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Post by admin on Nov 15, 2009 13:33:58 GMT
How do you know he took that decision for that reason? I very much doubt if that was the reason. More likely because he felt it was the right thing to do, in recognition of his dad, who had probably been fighting cancer long before the public annonucement. So, you think he decided to be British in recognition of his father who abandoned Britain in favour of Australia all those years ago? That hardly seems logical, does it?
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Post by Deleted on Nov 15, 2009 13:45:21 GMT
How do you know he took that decision for that reason? I very much doubt if that was the reason. More likely because he felt it was the right thing to do, in recognition of his dad, who had probably been fighting cancer long before the public annonucement. So, you think he decided to be British in recognition of his father who abandoned Britain in favour of Australia all those years ago? That hardly seems logical, does it? I would have to say Tai didn't look much of a British patriot during the World cup when we all saw him in his Australian costume.
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Post by Genghis on Nov 15, 2009 13:58:34 GMT
So, you think he decided to be British in recognition of his father who abandoned Britain in favour of Australia all those years ago? That hardly seems logical, does it? I would have to say Tai didn't look much of a British patriot during the World cup when we all saw him in his Australian costume. You really are pathetic, both of you. Woffinden was probably in the Aussie pit for the final of the SWC with the full blessing of Rob Lyon. Woffinden was there to help out his good friend Troy Batchelor, whilst at the same times got to rub shoulders with Crumpie and Adams. Woffinden is British. End of. And good luck to him next year, I'll be cheering him on. Unlike the likes of the Old Momgol and Hatcham, who will be looking to pounce as soon as he has one bad round.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 15, 2009 14:10:48 GMT
I would have to say Tai didn't look much of a British patriot during the World cup when we all saw him in his Australian costume. You really are pathetic, both of you. Woffinden was probably in the Aussie pit for the final of the SWC with the full blessing of Rob Lyon. Woffinden was there to help out his good friend Troy Batchelor, whilst at the same times got to rub shoulders with Crumpie and Adams. Woffinden is British. End of. And good luck to him next year, I'll be cheering him on. Unlike the likes of the Old Momgol and Hatcham, who will be looking to pounce as soon as he has one bad round. Is Rob Lyon the Lord of patriotism then Genghis ? if Woffinden wanted to rub shoulders with Crump and Adams, and help his pal, he didn't need to wear a team Australia blouse to do so did he ? On the subject of the clown Rob Lyon, will he continue the charade of claiming Danny King is one of Team Englands top five, or actually pick the best team in 2010 ?
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Post by admin on Nov 15, 2009 14:11:03 GMT
You really are pathetic, both of you. But not quite to the degree of pretending to be British just to get an easy passage into the GPs.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 15, 2009 14:19:00 GMT
I would have to say Tai didn't look much of a British patriot during the World cup when we all saw him in his Australian costume. You really are pathetic I'll take that over being duped by someone claiming fake patriotism and loyalty.
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