What would you do ?

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Its a World cup qualifier, the last match, win and your in the finals, lose and your out, an hour of the game is gone with the score 0-0, when you genuinely trip over in the penalty area, your not claiming you were fouled, and the whole football world can see you weren't, but the referee gives a penalty, you can't question the decision because it's not permitted, but you are the designated 'taker' so any success is down to you, your opponents have been diving about and feigning injury in every match.........you put the ball on the spot, and then do what ? blast the ball into the back of the net and take a giant step towards qualification for your country, or miss on purpose ?

What would you do ?

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it would go in the net ofcourse. Ok it was an accident but at the same time you have a whole nations expectations on your shoulders aswel as your own career after that match to consider.

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Jun 12, 2009 16:32:37 GMT @snyper1010 said:

it would go in the net ofcourse. Ok it was an accident but at the same time you have a whole nations expectations on your shoulders aswel as your own career after that match to consider.

Thanks for your reply Snipster, hope to hear what others would do.

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Bury it

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You'd score but the situation you have given us Hatcham (more name changes than Prince) leads to that decision. It doesn't include the situation of being hated by the majority of the World and also that the opposition has been open to naughty tricks also influences the decision.

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Jun 12, 2009 19:59:26 GMT @harry said:

You'd score but the situation you have given us Hatcham (more name changes than Prince) leads to that decision. It doesn't include the situation of being hated by the majority of the World and also that the opposition has been open to naughty tricks also influences the decision.

Thanks for your response Harry, i did not try to lead anyone to a certain conclusion, in fact my nearest team Corinthian Casuals refused absolutely to convert penalties regardless of how they came about, i just wanted to canvass some opinion to find out if cheating and manipulation was ever acceptable.

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Jun 12, 2009 15:52:56 GMT @hatcham said:

you can't question the decision because it's not permitted

The referee can change his mind up until the moment the penalty is taken, so you could own up. Indeed, I can remember at least one occasion where a goal was disallowed after a player admitted it hadn't gone into the net.

As to the actual question, it's nice to believe that you'd do the right thing, but I very much doubt many of us would in such a situation. In any case, most footballers will have been on the receiving end of incorrect decisions that cost them results, so you could argue it's merely luck balancing itself out. In addition, considering the amount of gamemanship and cheating that goes on these days anyway, you probably wouldn't feel too sorry for the opposition.

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Jun 12, 2009 20:39:37 GMT @wibblemuis said:

Jun 12, 2009 15:52:56 GMT @hatcham said:

you can't question the decision because it's not permitted

The referee can change his mind up until the moment the penalty is taken, so you could own up. Indeed, I can remember at least one occasion where a goal was disallowed after a player admitted it hadn't gone into the net.

Bob Fowler once admitted he hadn't been fouled at Arsenal but the ref was having none of it.

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Jun 12, 2009 20:29:09 GMT @hatcham said:

i just wanted to canvass some opinion to find out if cheating and manipulation was ever acceptable.

Difficult to know really. There are certainly reports of cheating and gamesmanship going back to the earliest days of professional football, so it's really nothing new. Some teams may well have tried to play with a certain spirit, but I suspect it's been exaggerated in many cases.

Of course, different forms of cheating rise and fall from prominence over the years, not least diving in the British game in recent times. However, is this any worse than trying to hack your opponents to pieces as was popular in the past?

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Jun 12, 2009 20:45:50 GMT @wibblemuis said:

Jun 12, 2009 20:29:09 GMT @hatcham said:

i just wanted to canvass some opinion to find out if cheating and manipulation was ever acceptable.

Difficult to know really. There are certainly reports of cheating and gamesmanship going back to the earliest days of professional football, so it's really nothing new. Some teams may well have tried to play with a certain spirit, but I suspect it's been exaggerated in many cases.

Of course, different forms of cheating rise and fall from prominence over the years, not least diving in the British game in recent times. However, is this any worse than trying to hack your opponents to pieces as was popular in the past?

I suppose i am trying to clarify in my own mind whether average manipulation in speedway is cheating or common sense based on simple economic needs.

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Jun 12, 2009 20:51:12 GMT @hatcham said:

I suppose i am trying to clarify in my own mind whether average manipulation in speedway is cheating or common sense based on simple economic needs.

In your original post you've created a situation where the referee has decided one way or the other. You can't argue with the referee in speedway. His decision is final.

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Jun 12, 2009 21:27:21 GMT @schumi said:

Jun 12, 2009 20:51:12 GMT @hatcham said:

I suppose i am trying to clarify in my own mind whether average manipulation in speedway is cheating or common sense based on simple economic needs.

In your original post you've created a situation where the referee has decided one way or the other. You can't argue with the referee in speedway. His decision is final.

The theory behind the post was nothing to do with football referee's or penalties, the fictitious situation was merely an example to find out whether cheating in any guise was acceptable when you are representing the wishes of a larger audience.

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I'm not sure how it can ever be considered cheating if you're told to abide by the referee's decision?

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Jun 12, 2009 21:41:45 GMT @schumi said:

I'm not sure how it can ever be considered cheating if you're told to abide by the referee's decision?

Its quite simple Schumster, you've been given a penalty for no reason, do you accept its a morally wrong decision and miss on purpose to redress the balance, or say "most opponents wouldn't give a shit so why should i" ?
A bit like if you have a horse that you feel is worthy of a rating of 100 but the handicapper saddles him with 110 which gives him little chance of success do you do the morally correct thing and try your best or put him over distances and going that precludes him from performing to his best so the handicap becomes reduced to a more acceptable mark ?
Or if a rider averages 4 but looks capable of more, he gets signed up by a team and doubles his average to an unsustainable 8, the following season seeing his average drop to 6 and under threat from the management of losing his place in the team, what does he do ? the morally correct thing, continue averaging 6 knowing that nobody will be interested in signing him, and dropping down a league is out of the question, or put his family and career first put in some very poor scores and hope with a much lower average another team will offer him a shot ?

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If your rider achieved 8 how can you say it's unsustainable, especially in a diluted league?