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Post by Genghis on Apr 28, 2008 20:44:10 GMT
The rule book: 15.3.4 The following are Starting Offences; (a) failing to proceed directly to the Starting Area or otherwise delaying the start of a Heat, (b) not being ready to race or deemed to be under the jurisdiction of the Start Marshal at the expiry of the 2-minute allowance, (c) taking up the wrong position, (d) not complying with the Start Marshal instructions, (e) by any means wrongly preventing the raising of the gate or (f) for a Competitor or Competitor’s machinery or any part of it to touch or break the tapes after the Green Starting Light has been displayed. 15.3.5 Where a Green Light or Start Gate malfunctions the Referee shall order a re-run. Schumi, surely Bridger could have been excluded under (e). Bit of a poor meeting tonight - the lack of an aggregate bonus point killed interest in the meeting. |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 28, 2008 20:45:28 GMT
I'm afraid I enjoyed it, but then I would, wouldn't I? ;D Troy was (again) magnificent for us. And Trav (again) was shite.  Alden showed flashes of brilliance, but we need that all the time, not just in heat 2. Cory - bless his little heart - tried for every point. James - what can I say about the boy? He's getting better and better. Mads showed a return to form after his battering at Poole. Mr Clean - happy birthday! Only Scott Nicholls looked as if he'd turned up tonight. Lee Richardson sent his evil twin along, I'm happy to say. |
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Post by admin on Apr 28, 2008 20:48:30 GMT
Schumi, surely Bridger could have been excluded under (e). Bit of a poor meeting tonight - the lack of an aggregate bonus point killed interest in the meeting. The two minute allowance must surely have lapsed, thus Bridger was delaying the start and should've been excluded - yet again, poor officiating. Where do the SCB find these cretins? |
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Post by schumi on Apr 28, 2008 20:51:25 GMT
The rule book: 15.3.4 The following are Starting Offences; (a) failing to proceed directly to the Starting Area or otherwise delaying the start of a Heat, (b) not being ready to race or deemed to be under the jurisdiction of the Start Marshal at the expiry of the 2-minute allowance, (c) taking up the wrong position, (d) not complying with the Start Marshal instructions, (e) by any means wrongly preventing the raising of the gate or (f) for a Competitor or Competitor’s machinery or any part of it to touch or break the tapes after the Green Starting Light has been displayed. 15.3.5 Where a Green Light or Start Gate malfunctions the Referee shall order a re-run. Schumi, surely Bridger could have been excluded under (e). Bit of a poor meeting tonight - the lack of an aggregate bonus point killed interest in the meeting. No, Bridger didn't touch the tapes. My honest opinion? I think it was all four back because of a "start light malfunction", otherwise known as a referee's cock-up. |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 28, 2008 20:55:10 GMT
Rule 15.7 states: "A Competitor who, after the Green Light was illuminated, failed to start, retired from, was not proceeding under power when the Heat was stopped or is excluded from a Heat that is ordered to be re-run shall be ineligible to take part in the re-run and shall not be replaced."
Clearly, Bridger should have been excluded. The green light must have come on because the riders were looking at the magnets.
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Post by schumi on Apr 28, 2008 20:57:18 GMT
But the green lights weren't on - or so we were told.  |
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Post by Genghis on Apr 28, 2008 21:01:36 GMT
Schumi, surely Bridger could have been excluded under (e). Bit of a poor meeting tonight - the lack of an aggregate bonus point killed interest in the meeting. No, Bridger didn't touch the tapes. My honest opinion? I think it was all four back because of a "start light malfunction", otherwise known as a referee's cock-up. Schumi, but where in (e) does it mention touching the tapes? |
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Post by stuartroad on Apr 28, 2008 21:03:50 GMT
But the green lights weren't on - or so we were told. that is true,also did mads know bridger had bike problems? and he went through the tapes. i cannot remember seeing a rider have engine trouble on the line,and the referee turn the green light off,not lift the tapes,and exclude him,history suggests the rider pulls away and is excluded or stays at the tapes,they are released and he is stationary and out |
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Post by schumi on Apr 28, 2008 21:10:31 GMT
Schumi, but where in (e) does it mention touching the tapes? Okay, I was reading (f), but he didn't prevent the tapes rising, did he? The lights didn't come on and the tapes didn't go up. Something went wrong that was beyond the riders' control. |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 28, 2008 22:34:35 GMT
But the green lights weren't on - or so we were told. I taped the meeting and have seen the incident again. It confirmed what I thought. The other three riders were looking at the magnets so the green light must have come on. |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 29, 2008 20:51:14 GMT
Hey - green light was def NOT on. Ref was arseing about holding starts after a few earlier eagles rollers.
You know I cannot be arsed to post on the BSF about this meeting after reading the uniform dismissal of my teams victory of Eagles - we have a team of young whippersnappers that with very few exceptions were listed in the bottom 3 of most BSFers predictions (which was OTT obviously) - and yet as we exceed those low expectations and also the slightly higher ones of the fans and the club it seems odd to come from meetings where week by week the crowd where I stand is getting louder and more animated than it has for years and be greeted by cool icy dismissal of a crap sky meeting. If people insist in making a fetish out of passing they should at least take into account the basic drama of a young inexperienced Bright New Thing holding fast and steady for a full 4 laps in front of international heatleaders and ex/current GP/Stars. Sometimes the very best races have just one pass in them - its all about the dramatic context of the meeting.
Drama in speedway - esp when its YOUR team - and you are actually watching it unfold live at the stadium - comes at you from all kinds of angles. So the sneering will go on about last night and yet some of the most cynical and pessimistic fans I know are beaming all over their faces at the moment and really enjoying the meetings.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 29, 2008 21:01:10 GMT
Also, Z, it's interesting to note that some of those complaining are saying they watch on fast forward. How can you get the true drama of a match watching it of fast bloody forward!
Top post by the way. Agree 100%. Mind you, I haven't seen this match yet so can't comment on it.
There's also a feeling I get that some supporters from certain clubs were gleefully celebrating the fact that they had apparently stuffed Swindon with the points limit, only to find that Swindon haven't just lied down and died as a result.
Who knows how this year will end up, but whatever happens we've already proved a lot of people wrong with our start to the year.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 29, 2008 21:02:48 GMT
BTW G, in case you weren;t sure Z = SwineTown - my nom de plume reflects my doctoral obsessions at present.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 29, 2008 21:07:51 GMT
BTW G, in case you weren;t sure Z = SwineTown - my nom de plume reflects my doctoral obsessions at present. I realised it was you, er, D. Whatever meeting is on Sky seems to get condemned by someone and a whole bunch of sheep join in. Not sure why they even follow speedway at all some of the time. |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 29, 2008 21:12:23 GMT
It was - (almost embarrssed to say because It makes me sound naieve etc) - a great meeting to watch and the Swindon fans were lapping it up. Not like last year where we often did the impassive 60 something wipeout - but a hard-fought big win with these lads getting better before our eyes. Troy seems to be improving every meeting. A stunning growth rate. Certainly the most exciting improvement gradient I've witnessed since the early Jason Crump days.
And James - despite some bizarre misplaced concern on the BSF - looks so good - so entertaining to watch and really gives it all he's got till the black and white. Always switching lines, cutting back, shaving off corners and pushing if someone is in front. Then occasionally gets a big leigh-walkaround win. Mads still a revelation too.
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Alden showed flashes of brilliance, but we need that all the time, not just in heat 2. Cory - bless his little heart - tried for every point. James - what can I say about the boy? He's getting better and better. Mads showed a return to form after his battering at Poole. Mr Clean - happy birthday! 