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Post by Genghis on Dec 3, 2009 17:17:18 GMT
And also look at Badoer & Fischella's (very funny) comedy peformances in the Ferrari - boy they were crap weren't they Schumi You forgot Eddie "I'm going to throw a tantrum because Schumacher wouldn't win the championship for me, but never mind - they'll drag me out of retirement to give my dull opinion on anything and everything related to F1 for the next 20 years" Irvine. Schumi, Eddie Irvine was quality not crap. Given the opportunity to show what he was worth in 1999, he gave Hakkinen a mighty scare and ended up during a better job than Schumacher had in 1998. And he won the two races straight after Schumacher got injury, which shows he was just as good a driver as Schumacher given the chance. So if you're calling Irvine a comedy driver when his percentage of race wins as Ferrari team leader (3 out of 8) is on a par with Schumacher, then Schumacher is also a comedy driver.
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Post by schumi on Dec 3, 2009 17:35:06 GMT
We both know Irvine had the best car on the grid and the only reason he was able to win those races is because he didn't have to hunt down the mighty Schum. Incidentally, I had a dream about Schumacher last night. Although perhaps more worryingly, Adrian Rymel was in it too.
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Post by Genghis on Dec 3, 2009 18:47:47 GMT
We both know Irvine had the best car on the grid No, he didn't, the McLaren was the fastest car on the grid. But Irvine played psychological games with Hakkinen and nearly ended up as World Champion. Schumi, I could point out that Schumacher only won one world championship when he wasn't in the best car on the grid (1995). And in 2006, Schumacher was beaten to the championship by a driver in a slower car.
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Post by schumi on Dec 3, 2009 19:31:16 GMT
We both know Irvine had the best car on the grid No, he didn't, the McLaren was the fastest car on the grid. But Irvine played psychological games with Hakkinen and nearly ended up as World Champion. Schumi, I could point out that Schumacher only won one world championship when he wasn't in the best car on the grid (1995). And in 2006, Schumacher was beaten to the championship by a driver in a slower car. I didn't say fastest, I said best. As to your second point I disagree strongly - Schumacher MADE those cars what they were (along with a few other notable names) - not like today's "champions" who luck into a car which has already been improved by someone else. You know who I mean. However, I don't have the energy to trawl through stats to prove you wrong, and you'd only argue the facts anyway.
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Post by Genghis on Dec 3, 2009 20:05:22 GMT
No, he didn't, the McLaren was the fastest car on the grid. But Irvine played psychological games with Hakkinen and nearly ended up as World Champion. Schumi, I could point out that Schumacher only won one world championship when he wasn't in the best car on the grid (1995). And in 2006, Schumacher was beaten to the championship by a driver in a slower car. I didn't say fastest, I said best. As to your second point I disagree strongly - Schumacher MADE those cars what they were (along with a few other notable names) - not like today's "champions" who luck into a car which has already been improved by someone else. You know who I mean. However, I don't have the energy to trawl through stats to prove you wrong, and you'd only argue the facts anyway. Schumacher made the cars? Is he good with a welding torch then Schumi? As for King Kimi, I still find it highly amusing that he doesn't give a shit. That time he went swimming whilst the Monaco GP was still taking place was hilarious. ;D
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Post by schumi on Dec 3, 2009 21:04:57 GMT
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Post by Genghis on Dec 3, 2009 21:16:52 GMT
Schumi - but McLaren didn't win a single race in 2006, the year before Hamilton joined them. Don't see how Hamilton was a "lucky" world champion. He had everything go against him in 2008 and still won the championship. Are you looking forward to supporting the British dream team in 2010? Hamilton and the mighty Button in the same team. Just as I told you two years ago.
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Post by Genghis on Dec 4, 2009 12:20:43 GMT
And the greatest Ferrari driver since Nigel Mansell confirms he is not driving in F1 in 2010: www.planetf1.com/story/0,18954,3213_5744285,00.html
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Post by schumi on Dec 4, 2009 15:05:41 GMT
You been on the Christmas sherry early?
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Post by Genghis on Dec 4, 2009 15:19:52 GMT
You been on the Christmas sherry early? Whoops I forget Eddie Irvine. Thanks for reminding me. Correction: And the greatest Ferrari driver since Eddie Irvine confirms he is not driving in F1 in 2010: www.planetf1.com/story/0,18954,3213_5744285,00.html
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Post by Genghis on Dec 7, 2009 12:11:41 GMT
There WILL be a British GP in 2010: www.planetf1.com/story/0,18954,3213_5753246,00.html In fact, there will be a British GP up until 2026. Bernie has finally seen sense - after all, most of the best teams and drivers are British.
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Post by zonkers on Dec 7, 2009 17:14:56 GMT
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Post by schumi on Dec 9, 2009 7:23:35 GMT
So who's going to win the Button-Hamilton fight? Whitmarsh is claiming his drivers will be treated equally, but they said that about Coulthard and Hakkinen.
Hamilton has the advantage with already knowing the car, but is notoriously hard on his tyres. And with refuelling banned, therefore extra weight in the car leading to more tyre wear, we could be back to witnessing some of those spectacular blow-outs we haven't seen for the last decade or so. They really don't think about safety when coming up with these ideas, do they?
Button's smooth driving style, on the other hand, should help him nurture those Bridgestones until the chequered flag. And of course, pride will play a big part - it's impossible to predict the outcome when the two meet into the first bend.
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Post by Genghis on Dec 9, 2009 12:00:08 GMT
So who's going to win the Button-Hamilton fight? Whitmarsh is claiming his drivers will be treated equally, but they said that about Coulthard and Hakkinen. Hamilton has the advantage with already knowing the car, but is notoriously hard on his tyres. And with refuelling banned, therefore extra weight in the car leading to more tyre wear, we could be back to witnessing some of those spectacular blow-outs we haven't seen for the last decade or so. They really don't think about safety when coming up with these ideas, do they? Button's smooth driving style, on the other hand, should help him nurture those Bridgestones until the chequered flag. And of course, pride will play a big part - it's impossible to predict the outcome when the two meet into the first bend. Schumi, it's a difficult one to call, because they are so different drivers. It's almost like Senna (speed) vs Prost (smooth) take 2, apart from I can't see the same bitterness developing. Button is too much of a nice guy for starters. Senna vs Prost at McLaren ended as one title apiece, although Prost cheated his way to the 1989 title by taking Senna off in Japan - something Senna reciprocated the following year after Prost had moved to Ferrari. In reality, Senna dominated both 1988 & 1989, and only bad luck (several retirements whilst leading races - reliability was much more of a factor those days) cost him the 1989 title. Stats for those two years are 14 wins for Senna, 11 for Prost. An incredible 26 out of 32 pole postions for Senna. And remember at the beginning of 1988, McLaren was Prost's team and he was regarded as the best driver of all time. That Senna could waltz straight into a McLaren and outdrive the "best ever" was a remarkable feat. Can Button do the same to Hamilton? I'm hoping McLaren have the best car next season, because a battle between two British World Champions for the 2010 title would be awesome. That complete dingbat Whitmarsh might stuff it all up though - it would be far better if Ron Dennis was back in charge.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 9, 2009 12:16:53 GMT
Honestly think that Hammy will wipe the floor with him. The McLaren will have already been designed with Hamilton's driving style and the fuel loadings in mind which means that Button will struggle not getting the tyres up to temperature in qualifying, start somewhere midfield and Hamilton will start closer to the front. First corners will not come into it, unless you count the number of times we have Button losing his front wing.
The two will be treated equally aws drivers, I am sure, Whitmarsh being far more of a democrat than Dennis ever was BUT the balance of mechanical and aerodynamic grip will prove to be the difference between the two. Button's biggest hope will be that the car is a bitch to set up and that his experience in that department is far greater than Hammy's.
Pip
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