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Post by Deleted on Jul 15, 2008 10:18:18 GMT
Why are we even in this competition? Give our place to someone who deserves it. So much for British speedway being one of the top leagues in the world. Right now it's laughable - give me Sweden or Poland any day. British Speedway is still the best in the world . You cant condemn our whole sport on the back of 5 under-performers and a clueless team manager . The Swedish leagues aren't as exciting as ours , while the Polish equivalent is riddled with mafia money and run by bully boys . It's not too late for Britain still to be a major player , but having a team manager who can't gel riders together and picked a team with the sole purpose of attracting a decent crowd to Coventry has to be changed and got right . Nicholls is still our best rider and is capable of a lot more than he showed last night . Harris rode about to his level last night , but that is still useful enough on a world stage . Richardson and Stead should now be jettesoned , they've failed to deliver once too often now , while Allen did okish , but was on his home track and would be totally out of his depth anywhere else . Thursday is a huge night for GB and riders who let us down so badly last night must make up for it . I'm glad Woffinden and Kennett are riding , let's hope these two youngsters do us proud . We wont beat the Swedes on Thursday , but at Vojens we must be in with a shout of beating the Poles and the Russians . Of course even if we do qualify , i cant see us finishing anywhere else but 4th , but making the final is so important .
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Post by Deleted on Jul 15, 2008 10:33:06 GMT
Here what you say Paulco but we were very poor last night! 1st/2nd bend....all over for us apart from a couple of exceptions, christ it took 17 bloody heats before we even got the win! at one stage we were under serious pressure from the Czechs for 3rd spot!
The Danes were just superb it has to be said....you don't turn up in bright white and I mean seriously bright white kevlars unless you go out and win pretty much every race...and thats pretty much what they did.
I have serious concerns about Thursday, we will need to be at 100% and more if we are to challenge for a final place and as you say, even if we do its 4th at best me thinks.....I just don't think we will be that good unfortunately...
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Post by Deleted on Jul 15, 2008 11:47:43 GMT
5 under-performers and a clueless team manager ...but having a team manager who can't gel riders together and picked a team with the sole purpose of attracting a decent crowd to Coventry has to be changed and got right . Hi Paul, He didn't even attract a decent crowd! Despite the idiotic and baseless statements of the usual Sky suspects including the still-clueless-after-many-years Keith Heuwen the crowd was thinner than most of the camera views suggested with very large gaps in the expensive stand seats and a smaller than usual number on the home straight. I estimate no more than 3500 and probably a lot less. The tower camera clearly showed that the car park was not full either despite the rubbish passing from the Screaming Imbeciles lips. Several of us season ticket holders decided not to attend at £23 for stadium entry alone so stayed at home and watched on the already paid for Sky. On the TV evidence that was the right decision. BTW Last Friday night attracted possibly the worst regular race night crowd I have ever seen and I did a rough head count at around 1100-1200 and I am being generous.
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Post by marron on Jul 15, 2008 12:23:04 GMT
Time for the BSPA to get their finger out their arse for once and do something about the leagues over here so it works in British riders' favour.
Need to start somewhere, but why they will do it this time when they havent been arsed about it previously i dont know.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 15, 2008 12:24:54 GMT
British Speedway is still the best in the world . The Swedish leagues aren't as exciting as ours , while the Polish equivalent is riddled with mafia money and run by bully boys . Paulco, I seriously hope you had your tongue in cheek when writing that, but my initial impression is that you haven't. The BEL is a distant third in probably every aspect, the only 'plus' if it is one, is the quantity of fixtures. Rico
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Post by Genghis on Jul 15, 2008 12:32:16 GMT
British Speedway is still the best in the world . The Swedish leagues aren't as exciting as ours , while the Polish equivalent is riddled with mafia money and run by bully boys . Paulco, I seriously hope you had your tongue in cheek when writing that, but my initial impression is that you haven't. The BEL is a distant third in probably every aspect, the only 'plus' if it is one, is the quantity of fixtures. Rico Nonsense young Rico. British Speedway is superior in most ways - except in quality of homegrown riders.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 15, 2008 12:48:17 GMT
Nonsense young Rico. British Speedway is superior in most ways - except in quality of homegrown riders. Young ?? ;D Ok, Mr Ghengis - give me some reasons please. Thanks in advance. Rico
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Post by Deleted on Jul 15, 2008 12:59:56 GMT
British Speedway is still the best in the world . The Swedish leagues aren't as exciting as ours , while the Polish equivalent is riddled with mafia money and run by bully boys . Paulco, I seriously hope you had your tongue in cheek when writing that, but my initial impression is that you haven't. The BEL is a distant third in probably every aspect, the only 'plus' if it is one, is the quantity of fixtures. Rico It's just me Rico . I was brought up with British speedway in an era when it was the best in the world . And i find my reluctance to accept Sweden and Poland because of that . To me Britain is still where it's at and that will never change for me .
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Post by Deleted on Jul 15, 2008 13:28:48 GMT
It's just me Rico . I was brought up with British speedway in an era when it was the best in the world . And i find my reluctance to accept Sweden and Poland because of that . To me Britain is still where it's at and that will never change for me . I hear what you are saying Paulco, but would you agree that is perhaps one of the main problems at the moment is that those in charge may be thinking along the same lines as you. We have to accept that we are a poor third place in Britain at the moment in terms of leagues and we need to find a way to rectify that. The world is a totally different place compared to the good old days when I've no doubt the British scene was number 1 and by some distance. If we don't accept we are poor at the moment, then surely we are unlikely to attempt to change things for the better. Rico
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Post by schumi on Jul 15, 2008 13:41:51 GMT
Why are we even in this competition? Give our place to someone who deserves it. So much for British speedway being one of the top leagues in the world. Right now it's laughable - give me Sweden or Poland any day. British Speedway is still the best in the world . You cant condemn our whole sport on the back of 5 under-performers and a clueless team manager . But those underperformers, so we're told, are the "best we have" - at least three of them are supposed to be. If you take the SWC and use it to rank the countries in terms of superiority, Britain would come where? Fifth, sixth, seventh even. Last year wasn't much better. I suggest that says a lot about us. And yes, it's the riders, not the strength of the country, but I'd also suggest our performance is indicative of the sad state of affairs over here. Our reliance on foreigners is all to plain to see. If we, as a nation, don't start bucking up our ideas, we don't have much to look forward to.
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Post by schumi on Jul 15, 2008 13:44:06 GMT
British Speedway is superior in most ways - except in quality of homegrown riders. It's attitudes like that which have got us into this trouble in the first place. We're far too smug and superior. Well, who's having the last laugh now? We've been humiliated, publicly, and I'd say it's not going to be any better on Thursday. We have no chance of making the final, and every chance of coming last, based on yesterday's performance.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 15, 2008 14:13:48 GMT
All this talk of league set ups and the success of the Poles, Danes and Swedes is fine. But how the hell do you explain the success of the Aussies ;D
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Post by marron on Jul 15, 2008 14:32:46 GMT
To be honest, the PL has way too many foreigners and that is part of the reason why British Speedway is failing. The BSPA dont seem to be willing to do anything about it either, this has been happening/coming for years now and they have done nothing previously so i think they will do nothing about it now. It is all well and good having these nonsense 'summer camps' when the leagues do not give the opportunities to the British youngsters trying to make their way into the sport.
Me and my dad watch speedway week in week out at the STMP and always comment on the lack of British riders in the team line ups and alot of the time there isnt a single Brit in a heat. It is not right when you are trying to spot the Brit amongst the team in the Elite League never mind the 2nd tier of British Speedway. An example of this was Heat 4 vs Kings Lynn.....the line up was Harrison, Smith, Bugeja and Proctor - ALL AUSSIES!
Useless riders like Keskinen, Loof, Carpanese, Franchetti eitc. are taking places that could goto riders such as Scott James, Gary Beaton etc. who wont be world beaters but will at least be given a chance and are British!
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Post by Deleted on Jul 15, 2008 14:36:10 GMT
I'd suggest that the Aussies have to have a different mentality to be able to make it in the sport. Along with the Americans they'll come over here and make the UK their European base and have to make their own way, living miles away from home. If they do succeed in making it in Britain then the other leagues will come a-calling, especially Poland if they are Under-21. You also have to ask what foundation level riding the likes of Holder etc have done prior to coming here as I'm pretty sure anyone who saw Holder in his first season in the UK would see he was the real deal - how are the Aussies producing such fine talent ? Rico
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Post by Deleted on Jul 15, 2008 14:39:31 GMT
The aussies obviously do it well, but at least there's a strong tradition and from what I understand quite a few tracks in OZ. I find the contribution of the state of California to world speedway through the years even more amazing.
And by the way, is there no speedway in New Zeeland at all these days? Don't think I've ever heard of a kiwi-rider in recent years..
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